Originally Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Originally Posted By: abc123
[quote=SEAN_SOUTH]I suppose now you're going to tell me your beloved Brit media were wrong for once lol

"Within hours of Cahill's murder, the Provisional IRA claimed responsibility in a press release. The reasons cited were Cahill's alleged involvement with a Portadown unit of the Ulster Volunteer Force. The unit in question had attempted a bomb attack on a south Dublin pub which was hosting a Sinn Féin fund-raiser on 21 May 1994. The UVF operatives were halted by the doorman Martin Doherty. In the ensuing struggle Doherty, who the IRA subsequently announced was a volunteer in their Dublin Brigade, was shot dead.[9][10] The Provisionals further alleged that Cahill had been involved in selling the stolen Beit paintings to the UVF gang led by Billy Wright.[11] The UVF then fenced the paintings for money, which they used to buy guns from South Africa. This act supposedly sealed Cahill's fate, and put him at the top of an IRA hit list.[12] In a later statement, the IRA said that it was Cahill's involvement with and assistance to pro-British death squads which forced us to act."[13]

Abe, you have been completely found out as a West Brit, Martin Cahill was killed by dissident Republicans and just like today's junkie scumbags Martin Cahill died just another deadbeat bum. My cousin lives in Rathmines and witnessed the slaying it was common knowledge it was the IRA but I suppose now you're going to tell me it was one of your superhero bums lol

Your pro-Brit agenda is so obvious abe it's painful you ain't kidding no-one.



Sean, you like to flog the dead horse all the time your very easy to debate Martin Cahill IRA statements was a pack of lies full stop.

INLA killed him for attack he'd nothing to do with...

CORMAC LOONEY – 27 OCTOBER 2011 10:05 AM

MARTIN CAHILL was not involved in the Widow Scallan's shooting the attack which may have cost him his life.

New information has come to light which reveals that a Belfast wing of the UVF were the sole suspects for carrying out the 1991 pub attack in which an IRA man was shot dead.

The General was blamed for assisting the UVF, but a new book by crime reporter Paul Williams reveals that the gardai and RUC did not consider him a suspect.

Despite this, the IRA claimed Cahill co-operated with loyalists to carry out the shooting, triggering a dispute between the General and republicans which culminated in this murder three years later.

"In the wake of the Widow Scallan's incident there was intense speculation that a criminal gang from Dublin had assisted the hit team. The Provos soon pointed the finger of suspicion at their old adversary Martin Cahill," Williams writes in Badfellas.







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"Neither Cahill nor any Dublin criminals were involved in the attack. Both the RUC and the gardai established that a UVF group from Belfast was actually responsible."

And despite claims that Cahill's gang supplied the car used in the incident it has emerged that the vehicle, a Triumph Acclaim, had been bought a day before the shooting, from a car dealer in Lurgan.

Although police believed that Cahill was innocent of any involvement, Dublin criminals John Gilligan and John Traynor told the IRA he was involved in the shooting regardless, Williams writes.

"Gilligan and Traynor were two people the Provos didn't have to approach for information. Factory John and The Coach had begun plotting the murder of their former pal but if the Provos -- or the INLA-- did it for them, then so much the better."

The pub shooting kicked off a chain of events which eventually saw Cahill in a dispute with INLA figures in Dublin. The culmination of this was his murder outside his Rathmines home on August 18, 1994. Gardai believe the INLA was responsible for the attack.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/a-woman-in-the-way-of-a-drug-barons-ambitions-26420738.html

There is a theory that Martin Cahill was murdered by the Provisional IRA because he was dealing with the loyalist Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF). This version suggests that the arrest in Istanbul of three UVF men trying to sell three Beit paintings was evidence of Cahill's links to the loyalists.

When Cahill was shot dead in August 1994, the IRA issued a statement saying that he had been killed because he had been in cahoots with the loyalists. They claimed he had helped them carry out a failed bomb attack on a Sinn Fein function at the Widow Scallan's pub in Dublin earlier that year, in which an IRA doorman had been shot dead.

The UVF have always denied this and claimed they had never heard of Martin Cahill until he was shot dead. But they did say their members had bought three paintings through an intermediary, Tommy Coyle, a leading underworld "fence" based in Drogheda who was known throughout the British and Irish underworld.

The Mid-Ulster UVF had apparently made a deal with Coyle and took the paintings as payment, they say.

A few weeks later the IRA called its first ceasefire..

It was not until a few years later, however, that a more plausible version of events came to light -- and John Traynor was at the centre of it.

After the murder of Veronica Guerin, a semi-autonomous investigation team was set up in Lucan Garda Station under the direction of Assistant Commissioner Tony Hickey.

The Lucan team quickly discovered that John Traynor had been an informant for someone high up in the gardai. Given his relationship with Gilligan, Traynor was also a suspect in the murder.

As the Lucan team delved into Traynor's activities, this separate version of events surrounding Cahill's murder emerged. Traynor had negotiated a deal between Cahill and Gilligan that would effectively set up Gilligan's drug-importing empire.

Cahill had a large amount of cash that he needed to invest for his retirement -- he was suffering from worsening health due to diabetes. He agreed to put up a large sum, up to £600,000, to finance Gilligan's first large shipment of cannabis from his Lebanese contact in Amsterdam. In return, Gilligan would repay Cahill the £600,000, plus another £600,000, along with a percentage of all subsequent shipments. With Traynor present, a deal was struck. Within 18 months of his release from Portlaoise in 1993, John Gilligan was in the big time. The shipment came through; but he still had to pay about £1.2m to the ailing Martin Cahill.

The Lucan detectives discovered that at around the same time, Traynor had struck up a close relationship with the group called the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA). This was little less than a few dozen ex-paramilitaries who still traded on the name of one of the most murderous terrorist groups to have emerged in the Troubles.

Traynor had used the Dublin INLA to pass several hundred thousand pounds- worth of dud cheques.

Although small in number, the INLA did have several members who were proficient in the use of firearms. More importantly, the INLA leadership had had a dispute with Martin Cahill, who had publicly humiliated them. They wanted revenge.

Gilligan was faced with the situation where he could either pay Martin Cahill a huge portion of his profits, or not. The latter required that Cahill be killed. It is believed that, through Traynor, the INLA was recruited to make that happen.

To shift the blame, the INLA arranged for their friends in the Dublin IRA to claim responsibility. It is believed that the INLA and IRA received £30,000 each for their part, with further payments in guns and cash as part of a "protection" deal for Gilligan and his gang. Gilligan was now in business, and Traynor was the king-maker who put him there.


I never disputed the fact that he UVF were responsible abe, stop putting up straw men arguments in a lame attempt to shoot me down for pointing put the simple facts.

Martin Cahill was a lowlife scumbag who worked with the UVF, a traitor to his country and a pathetic bum who was nothing more than a jumped up petty thief and yet despite his links to Loyalist paramilitaries you still revere him which says everything about where your loyalties lie.

As for Paul Williams he is a self-serving publicist who is a well known fairy tale storyteller. From his Wikipedia profile:-

[u]'Williams has been the subject of criticism that he is a mouthpiece for the gardaí'

Sound familiar to anyone else we know around here people rolleyes

[i]
"who uses his column to shape the public perception of the criminals he writes about and, quite possibly, to stir up tensions between rival gangs and major league villains". The Sunday Tribune said a common criticism of Williams is that he is "little more than a cheerleader for the gardaí" and noted Williams's tendency to steer away from any crime or corruption within the force.

Williams has been criticised for his tendency to give nicknames such as "The Tosser", "The Penguin", "Babyface" and "Fatpuss" to the criminals he is reporting on. Critics complain this has served to glamorise the criminals and to boost their public profile.[1]

Reminds me of somebody else around here, can't think who. But hey abe, the phone's ringing pal, I think it's another newsflash for you from your buddy. The little green leprechaun in your bowl of Lucky Charms lol


In 2002, Williams and the Sunday World were sued for libel after a story he had written in 1999 was proved to be untrue. In the article, Williams claimed a nun named Nora Wall had procured children so that they could be raped by paedophile priest Brendan Smyth. The paper issued a full apology and was forced to pay a €175,000 settlement to Ms. Wall'.


So, yet another reference to a guy who has been completely discredited, stop with the comedy abe lol

This guy sounds so familiar it's just untrue whistle [/quote

Martin Cahill was a lowlife scumbag who worked with the UVF, a traitor to his country and a pathetic bum who was nothing more than a jumped up petty thief and yet despite his links to Loyalist paramilitaries you still revere him which says everything about where your loyalties lie.

The IRA did not kill Martin Cahill is what i said.

As for Paul Williams he is a self-serving publicist who is a well known fairy tale storyteller. From his Wikipedia profile:-

[u]'Williams has been the subject of criticism that he is a mouthpiece for the gardaí'

Three people have got money in cases again William's Martin Marlo Hyland got big pay one time as well.



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