And JCB the only reason we went back and forth is because you kept saying the hole thing is near to instinct and thats a far cry from it. I understand why you would say that but I know better and see it first hand. There are people like ralph rosetti, isabella and alot others who are made and dont know one no of which is a great thing and n providence forget about it they always had and continue to have so much guys over there thats not even known of and many wouldn't even know exist unless a rat expose them like in most situations. remember i dont dis credit anyone because im sure some have connections, know people, whatever.. but me, not to brag, but like i said before but I grew up in a home of this lifestyle going back generations. I just have a pure interest from an outsiders point of view with an insider knowledge and experience. Thts all dosent mean I know it all but yes I am very well equiped with info first hand