Money says you just right clicked and saved that image and will wait a few months, then post it on another forum and hope everyone likes you again
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I've never posted one of your photos and never will, out of principle alone. Unlike like you, I don't depend on photos to garner credibility with other forum members. And since when have I ever cared about people "liking" me?
Jared each time you and I go at it, multiple people message me links to your Facebook profile. While I would never go that far, at a certain point I gotta ask myself--what type of dumbfuck would ever give personal information like that out to people? I also gotta ask-Jesus Christ, how many people on this thing absolutely despise you?
Wow, are you really that clueless? I
never gave out my personal info to anyone.
Ever. The only way some of that stuff could have gotten out, and it was stuff already online anyway, was a mod on the other forum had to give it out. At least that's the only way I can explain it. In the end, what you had was a handful of crybabies on the other forum who were sick of me putting them in their place so they had to resort to something like that to take a shot at me. Talk about pathetic.
It also proves that since you didn't know this basic information Jonny, which was widely distributed by Stier, Malone and Anderson years ago, perhaps you shouldn't be making claims one way or another ?
Do yourself a favor and take a read...none of the guys mentioned was ever indicted (a few have since died however):
http://www.ipsn.org/stier_anderson__malone_reports.htm I can't speak for johnny but that report and the guys louie posted are hardly news to me. But I've been through this with louie already. Not a single case resulted from Stier's investigation, which showed mostly residual influence in the IBT anyway. There have been some internal oversight issues, or lawsuits from other parties involving some of those locals louie posted, but it's telling when we just don't see much in the way of mob-related labor racketeering cases in Chicago anymore. Which is why guys like you depend on the smoke and mirrors game, i.e. this guy was related to that guy, and he now heads this local, so that must mean...
Apparently I missed one of the millions of articles on the Outfit published over the last decade.
Uh.... "you got me" I guess.
Like I said above, if you read the report, you'll see mostly residual influence. Not the kind of control louie and Chitown
wish there still was.
so al capone, paul ricca, sam giancana, joey aiuppa, etc. weren't made?
chicago started out as the camorra
that's why they don't or didn't follow certain traditions
why would paul ricca prick a finger when his didn't get pricked?
Cook, your reading comprehension has gotten progressively worse as time goes on. And it wasn't that good to begin with. Read my post again. I said the case may have been different in the distant past in Chicago. But you can't compare the situation with those guys from decades ago to Carparelli today.
@sc ivyleague isn't relevant enough to garner a feeling as profound as hatred.
I may not be the information I post is. Meanwhile, we have you here claiming Carparelli is made. Care to explain how you know that?
@chitown I don't know why you get sucked into these bitch-slap fests with these buffoons. These are individuals that have absolutely nothing whatsoever going on in their lives, so they come to places like this, where they can remain anonymous (well, not in ivy league's case), and still flex their bird chests. Don't feed the trolls.
The only "trolls" here are Chitown and cookcounty. You just refuse to see that because they buy into the same fantasies about the Outfit that you do.
Also, regarding Paul Carparelli, again: he has a crew working underneath him, and is direct with a well known capo. That's a made guy.
That in no way automatically means he's a made guy. This is the problem with guys like you (who are so often from Chicago). You start making your own rules and definitions. It's like you think you can move the goal posts around to make the Outfit look like whatever you want it to. Or, in this case, Carparelli specifically.
John coli is head of a pension fund For 25 different teamster locals
Right now as we speak
His father was a soldier and John coli had been in this position since te 1980s and the same goes for glimco as well
These people have been running these unions for Chicago since the 1980s they just haven't been touched yet meanwhile take anthony Franco in NY he got kicked out of the pavers union for the same thing
These guys have been untouched by law enforcement for many years just like difronzo, Caruso,cautadella, vena, andriacchi and matassa jr , I mean frank Caruso has been a capo now for 13 years , he's came up many times in testimony at the Mikey sarno trial yet due to the Feds being overrun by drugs and gangs and local law enforcement being and policticiqns corrupt as they are
The Chicago mob obviously has clout, I think the difference is they once were THE player now there just another mid level player
Here's the point to digest
From the 1950s to the 1980s glimco and coli were the 2 major Chicago mob/teamsters in Chicago
And now in 2013, guess what??glimco's and Coli's are still the major Chicago mob/teamster powers
In ny you would can't have sons of made guys running unions because what happens is they end up like Anthony Franco and Ralph scopo |||
Notice how so much of your contention is based on ancient history combined with speculation regarding today. But where are the cases to back it up? In New York over the past decade we've seen ongoing labor racketeering cases involving the mob and union locals. Not in Chicago.
That's the point to digest. Not you thinking 1+1=5.
that the mob overall in the grand scheme of things(despite a few idiots) is very much into achieving an everlasting lifespan and has spent that the last 100 years embedding and weaving itself into the fabric of society
Like with matassa he's a mobster and anything he touches is corrupted because of his station in life and who he represents
I think we have seen wiseguys in Chicago be much more low key
And that the made members of the family are pretty hands off as far as them personally doing everyday violence. We have seen just roughly a month ago Solly Delaurentis, a confirmed member of the Chicago cosa nostra , his partner pay 10k to Peter carparelli to have his crew deliver a beating and break the legs of someone who owed a gambling debt. This dosent suggest a kindle gentler mob, it suggest where unlike in ny where made guys beat up gamblers personally , in Chicago they contract an out and the fact that they can pay 10k for a beating shows the financial robustness of the Chicago mob
To quote peter carparelli "be discreet so they think were dead, let them think they did thyre job , so they go have a beer, high five each other"
Carparelli isn't just coming up with this way of doing business itself
It's the way of the Chicago mob, it's the way his superiors tell him to operate
The Chicago Outfit is a fraction of the size it once was, down to - at last count by the FBI - two or three crews. There is not even close to the amount of violence there once was. Every family still around is trying to lay low as much as possible. This isn't something unique to Chicago. But the proof is in the cases, or lack thereof, relatively speaking. Honest observers will look at everything involving the Outfit in recent years. Not cherrypick one case and a passing statement from Carparelli.
I always just assumed that the making ceremony with the gun and the knife and the finger pricking and everything was only for Joey A's era; once he got sent it off it sort of reverted back to a sort of informal thing. If you're in, you know you're in, and everyone whose already in, knows you're in. If that makes sense.
Except that guys like Sarno and Cataudella are made and may have been made after Aiuppa's time as boss.
Because I don't think there were 30 made guys in prison at the time and according to the feds there were less than 30 on the streets.
Exactly. Calabrese's 60 number in identifying members, past and present, makes sense. If you look at the CCC's estimate of Outfit membership back in the 1990's, and subtract those who have died since that time, it's remarkably close to the 28 member figure given by the FBI during the Family Secrets case. And that falls within the 25-30
total member figure given by the feds around that time.
Still not convinced that's the case. I know what the FBI said, but its possible they were being misleading (entirely possible everyone knows that) or there are quite a few guys they don't know about. Fosco, with I assume knowledge gained from MM, believes there to be between 50-60. Scott Burnstein, with info from the feds and the CCC, believes there are around 50-60. This would be in line with that number mentioned by Nick C. But i'm not going to argue with you about it. Agree to disagree.
I'll take the feds over Fosco and Burnstein's guesswork any day. Bottom line, those who are trying to argue Calabrese was talking about 60 current members today just don't
like the 28 member figure. Ever since that figure was reported back in 2007, there have been those who have tried to find any way they can to argue against it.
