iceman I agree with you on the Italian State, but as for the Catholic Church,the proverb says dead a Pope,make it another one, and another Pope may very well change course to the Church, perhaps this Pope who comes on the other side of the world can really change the Church, are almost optimistic about this, hopefully good, I am still of the opinion that the excommunication of the mafias members will be a sensational gesture, but maybe it's still too early for that.