Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: DoubleZ
Are you basing your stance on anything concrete,


Ivy pretty much summed it up.

Originally Posted By: DoubleZ
or do you think you sound smart when you condescend?


Erm, when I condescend? Who called who 'Genius' now then?

Whats the word Im looking for here.... GOT it, Hypocrisy.

You may want to look that up (THAT was being condecending wink )

Originally Posted By: DoubleZ
I respond there's little activity left in Detroit proper, now you say it's wannabe crackers in the burbs? Pick one stance.


Wasnt aware I had changed my opinion. IF there is any vestiges of activity its by aforementioned geriatrics and kiddy soldiers, in dem dere burbs.

Originally Posted By: DoubleZ
It's like a close-minded Kindergarten around here.


Yup. Hearing you there.


Basing your stance on Ivy/Wiseguy, is your personal choice, I certainly wouldn't call it the correct, open minded side.

I think I may have misunderstood your argument, I still disagree with it lol.

I agree with Macomb, I personally don't think there is 50+ made guys on the street in Detroit, but I honestly believe they have remained at 30-40 made guys, a number that seems to have stayed consistent over the last 20-30 years.

Top heavy, I agree, but that has been the design since day one. The Street Boss slot, and Counselor Emeritus roles have been designed to do two things, insulate and protect. And it has been successful, two bosses in the past 75 years, and only two years behind bars. Regardless of one's stance on the topic, that is quite the measure of success.

And what can I say? Hypocrisy rules the world wink