Don't know either of them so I can't comment on them personally...however, the whole bit about Marty O'Brien being a "good kid" doing 18-20 years is comical...People actually think that convicts doing 18-20 are stand up guys...What the fuck is the world coming to and these twisted senses of "neighborhood" values and how certain people from certain neighborhoods are revered for going to prison and not ratting. No wonder this country has so many people on government benefits and free medical insurance, their sense of "good kids" are just warped.