Ivy, I read a lot of elmwoodparker's postings. He wasn't all wrong and seemed fairly knowledgeable about the Older Outfit. It seemed like he was on some kind of mission to antagonize anyone who thought any of the New York Groups were superior to The Outfit. He also invented in his own mind what the Outfit is today. In reality, it is only a shadow of what it used to be. Attrition, law enforcement & John DiFronzo, have brought the Outfit to an all time low. He kind of sounded like a little kid who was upset that his heroes really don't exist anymore.