Not really debatable at all. In mafia circles the Americans are now considered bottom feeders and replaceable. They are Hollywood not gangsters. They ruined the Mafia. Between losers like John Gotti, Joey Merlino and Nicky Scarfo with their media bullshit and bosses/top guys flipping they are a joke. Italian police have even said that the Canadian Mafia is superior. Wire tap evidence in Italy shows the Mafia over there refers to Canada as "America" now. Canada is considered a safe haven and a good place to make money. The laws pale in comparison and the border security is completely unsecure for easy access to transport drugs from Canada in to the USA. I remember even seeing ex-ny mafia guys in a documentary saying the Canadian mob has much more money and power. They said the Americans were petty compared to them. Top mobsters with large respect live in Canada and there are far more Canadians going back for business to the old country than from the USA. Top Italian mobsters go to their Canadian counter parts to hide when in trouble and to launder cash. The game has changed.