Wow, this is starting to turn into some East Coast - West Coast rapper fued.

I'm no expert on the Outfit but i can understand why some people find it hard to believe that their power has dropped so dramatically. You grow up hearing about the Outfit with Giancana, Accardo, Rica, Aiuppa and all the others going back to Capone and the power and influence some of these guys had, it's just hard to believe they're down to the level some guys say they are. Honestly i think the truth is somewhere in the middle but no doubt over the years the Outfit's power (like all the other mob families) has taken a real hit.

I really have no idea on the current status of the Outfit but i enjoy reading the debates you guys have on it, just try not to make it so personal.