Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: Jenkins
Just reading back over some old mob books. What was Joe Bonnano thinking in the early 60's when he tried to kill Tommy Lucchese and Carlo Gambino??? Why didn't they kill Joe Bonnano for planning that? I know they kicked him out to Arizona but still. Also why did Lucchese and Gambino back Joe Gallo. I always thought Gallo was a nutjob and a loose cannon.


Bonanno wasn´t planning to kill Gambino and Lucchese. The accusation against him started when a Profaci member (allegedly Joe Colombo) noticed Bonanno´s son, Bill, staying in Magliocco´s house at the time when Magliocco was prepering for war. Bill was having marital problems and his wife was Magliocco´s niece (I believe). The missunderstanding of Bonanno´s involvement in Magliocco´s plot was sorted out during a meeting between Bill and Gambino/Lucchese.

The distrust between Bonanno and his cousin, Stefano Magaddino (a Commission member), was actually the underlying problem in what was to come. The distrust went so far Magaddino accused Bonanno for "planting flags all over the world" and Bonanno suspecting Magaddino of secretly trying to plot his demise by installing DiGregorio as boss of the Bonanno Family. If you are interested in the details of this, they can be found in Bonanno´s memoirs. Nothing else but the mistrust between the two cousins was THE fundalmental reason of the "Bananas war". Magaddino initially had tried to use the Commission to dispose of Bonanno. Gambino and Lucchese on the other hand (and they had their own agenda of dismantling the conservative faction´s power on the Commission) used Magaddino for their purposes by rubbing him the right way. And all the time by staying in the background. For many reasons, they certainly weren´t keen on the idea of going to war at that time.

Joseph Bonanno´s move to Arizona was a part of a peace treaty after the "Bananas war". So he wasn´t "kicked out" in 1968.


I love how some of those mob "myths" are being debunked. Not that I'm saying that I necessarily believe that Bonanno didn't plan to kill his rivals, just that I love that some people dare to question certain established 'facts'. Imo, the history of the Mafia with its outdated myths can very much benefit from revisionism and second opinions.


And I love when some people have an open mind for alternative explanations of events and "facts". Especially when these events and "facts" have never been presented with evidence.


I respect both of you two,Harry and Sonny as older members of this forum and as few of the members here that are interested in history and know a lot of stuff,but im goin to say this.....we can only speculate what happend with the Bonanno plot....but im sure for only one thing that the biggest problem in this plot was the heroin connection...Bonanno was one(if not the biggest)of the players in the heroin ring and that is the reason why all these conflicts and stories are floating today.....by the way the Bonanno family is known as the heroin family,and wheres the drugs biz,theres a lot of conflicts....just look at the mexicans or the black gangsters?!


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