Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
A few things

Facts are facts, First of all, the Palestinians did NOT attack Israel first in 1967. The contrary is correct.

The Six-Day War fought between June 5 and 10, 1967, by Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt , Jordan, and Syria. After a period of high tension between Israel and its neighbors, the war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise air strikes against Arab forces. The outcome was a swift and decisive Israeli victory. Israel took effective control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.

At the commencement of hostilities, both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country. Once it was established that Israel had struck first, the Israeli government claimed that it was a pre-emptive strike in the face of a planned invasion by the Arab countries.On the other hand, the Arab view was that it was an unjustified attack.In the leadup to the war, the United States advised Israel that America's military intelligence saw no signs of Egypt preparing to invade Israel.

I havent bought into any bullshit from anybody. Personally, i look at the facts on the ground as I see them and then I support the policies that I think should be in place. this is why I support Obama, Obama has been one of the few leaders (well until recently) to call Israel out on its aggressive behaviors, its treatment of the Palestinians, and its reluctance to accept the 1967 borders in exchange for a lasting peace agreement. A spade is a spade as I see it.

Yes, I am Liberal but I DONT vote according to party lines. In fact, I have voted a few times for conservative candidates in the past. I vote on the ISSUES and the adequate solutions that I think are needed and presented by all candidates involved.

The fact of the matter is, I am not blaming one side over the other. BOTH sides are guilty in certain respects for the lack of a peace agreement in the region.


First, you must have missed the part in the history books where Egypt, Jordan, and Syria were mounting their forces on the Israeli border in preparation for attack. Israel simply beat them to the punch.

Second, so Israel should give up land it's had for over 40 years in return for a promise of a "lasting peace agreement" that the Palestinians will never adhere to? Every time the Israelis have given up land, it's been used to launch rockets further into Israel. And even if some Palestinians were willing to abide by the agreement, others wouldn't. So, in the end, Israel is being asked to give up a lot in return for.....wait for it.....NOTHING.

Third, yes, neither side is perfect or pure as the driven snow. But the fault for failing to find lasting peace certainly isn't 50/50 or even close to it.


It's not really giving up land when you have Jewish settlers who refuse to move from the land that you are "giving back" still on it. I am not denying Israel is under constant rocket attacks, suicide bombings, etc and they should exercise their right to respond. But lets not forget the various human rights violations the Israelis have been perpetuating against the Palestinians like declaring West Bank areas closed military zones to deny activists access to them; arresting, detaining, indicting, convicting, and imprisoning activists as a deterrent; and dispersing demonstrations with excessive force, using rubber-coated metal bullets, at times live rounds, stun grenades, tear gas, and other repressive measures against peaceful protesters. Lets also not forget Israel's overwhelming use of force in Lebanon a few years back which earned/continues to draw international condemnation.


It is a tough situation overall, hence why there hasnt been a lasting agreement/breakthrough. I wish there were a viable peace agreement though cause I feel that would help quell a lot of the ills that both America and Israel have in the Middle East. I dont favor one side or the other I just think both sides are to blame for the lack of progress.


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