Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Frank
wikipedia page about the chicago outfit says that "The Outfit's membership is moderately estimated to be between 50-200 "made" members comprising a core group with more than 1,000 associates estimated".Is this totally wrong?what's the difference between a "made man" and an "associate"??

p.s. sorry if my english is not good but i'm italian....


Wikipedia is often one of the worst sources for information on organized crime. Anyone can just come and make up whatever they want. Sometimes Wiki articles are useful if they cite sources and have working links to them. But otherwise don't bother.



So are you saying that this description of Salvie Testa is not accurate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Testa

He was a ruggedly handsome 210-pound man who stood 6 feet tall with hazel eyes and real long lashes and dimpled cheeks. He wore his wavy hair out over his ears in typical 1970s fashion and was known to wear track suits and double breasted suits, he enjoyed wearing a 10-gallon cowboy hat and leather cowboy boots. He reportedly had dark emotionless eyes and gave off the appearance of a great white shark with a scowl that made press photographers back away from him when looking to get his picture athletic build from playing racquet ball and tennis at an upscale Philadelphia country club that he belonged to. Some crime writers have compared Testa to Christopher Walken's character 'Frank White' in King of New York.