You really can't compare them to the other families, especially the five families of New York. Philly probably couldn't even compete with the DeCavalcantes. That's how small they are, but even with that being said, they have actually gotten stronger in the last ten years. At least, that's how it appears to me and I believe that's largely due to the size of that family. I'm not taking credit away from Ligambi. There are two key ingredients here. A good leader and a small family. It's much easier to manage a small family.