I know many will say that Mike beat Roth which isn’t wrong since he killed him and Frankie didn’t testify. However rewatching it again lately I feel Roth certainly left his mark on Mike and even won in a small way. Think about it at the beginning of GF2 Mike is pretty much on top. He has his family in Lake Tahoe while also having a grip in NY through Frankie. Then after the attempted hit Mike is obsessed with revenge alienating much of his family in the process. Also because of Roth he ends up killing Fredo, two of his top capos Rocco and Frankie are dead, Kay leaves him, Tom is disillusioned by him. You could argue Mikes criminal empire is weakened although he still has power but still not like the beginning. His immediate family is certainly weakened as far as wanting yo be near him anymore. Let’s say GF3 never happened do you think Roth did tremendous damage to Mike despite the fact that Mike technically won their war? Interested to hear your thoughts!!