Originally Posted by Balaclava777
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by eastsideofvan
I would say its a bit unrealistically harsh to criticize Corallo and Avellino over the Jag tapes. We've all seen the multiple documentaries on how that was done and it was an incredible job by the FBI - who would really think the FBI would get a bug into your car back then? Hindsight is 20/20.

It's like saying America should have known 9/11 was going to happen. In hindsight perhaps all the signs were there, but until it happens its just an outrageous idea.

Those guys had to talk somewhere, and out of anywhere you could be talking why not your own car?

I agree with the other previous post; once you're marked by the gov't they're going to get you by hook or by crook.


Originally Posted by Tonytough
Everyone slates Gotti and his big mouth but weren’t Bobby Manna and his guys equally as stupid if not more.

I remember this from years ago but was reading one of the books which prompted my memory, they were discussing the plot to murder John and Gene and were not even talking in code- they even referred to Gotti by his full name (most mobsters would at least use a nickname) ie Scarfo referred to Bruno as lefty etc

And not only that they were openly using the woman’s restroom (for quite some time) and not even smart enough to lock the doors. When one random customer came in to use the bathroom they were recorded saying ‘go piss in the street lady this is a BUSINESS meeting’ so not only were they conducting mob business in a public space (granted it was their restaurant) but even telling a civilian about the fact they’re having a ‘meeting’. Doesn’t take a genius to work out what’s going on- a bunch of hardened looking Italians inside a woman’s bathroom.....

I’m sure this wasn’t the first time either, how do they know the customer wasn’t connected to law enforcement, in that life you have to have a third eye. no wonder they got bugged in there. These guys were as stupid as the two in the Jaguar tapes. Again if we used Nicky Scarfo he would sit in silence in any car.

Edit

And even after the Feds warned Gotti and Manna and them knew the plot was leaked, they continued to discuss the hit in the same bathroom (facepalm)





Leaders in Chicago and Detroit didnt get caught in cars talking


Detroit and Chicago were typically much more low key but I’m not sure they ever under the amount of investigative scrutiny as the NYC families in the 80s, especially the commission case



Chicago was 100% under the same type of scrutiny and Detroit was up there too


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/