Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Even the older, longer established black and hispanic gang members fall woefully short of what the mafia was, and is. None of them, NONE, have the deep penetration, sophistication, or ability to transcend themselves into anything but what they have always been. Street urchins.

They have no deeper "well" of understanding of what's what. Only their extremely limited knowledge of selling drugs, violence, and hurting one another. Period! And thats a well worn fact. How can you elevate yourself to become something more, when you don't have the "tools" to do it? You don't even know what it is you should be searching for to achieve.

With the Italian underworld, we are talking next level shit here. Not riding motorcycles by guys who haven't bathed or shaved in weeks. Or blacks and hispanic "kids" for all intents and purposes (regardless of how old they may be), who don't have a "clue" ?

The ONLY place I've seen them become a 'bit' elevated has been in Canada. An anomaly for sure. But even up there they are still "lost in space" in the larger scheme of things.



You have any extremely outdated view that stems from decades ago....Alot of these other racial groups make more money in a week than cosa nostra makes in a year through the drug trade and have infinitely more street presence than the Italians. The bikers are extremely organized and have roots going back 80 years... And to say a "bit elevated" in Canada is a joke..The Hells Angels in Canada were making over 100 million a year from drugs alone, not to mention the gambling and loan sharking theyre involved in


In 2021, there are very few groups more powerful than LCN. In New York alone, they are still the most powerful organized crime entity. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Those other groups are so dysfunctional and primitive that they have no chance of penetrating entire industries in the way the mafia has. I don't always see eye to eye with NYMafia, but he is absolutely spot on here. As wounded as the mafia is these days, they still hold more influence than any biker gang or any black gang.