I don't really think any of these groups ever "won" anything in the long run.

Ernie the Greek would've been toast if it weren't for the Assyrians intervening.

The Pagans eventually still ended up doing menial tasks for the Philly Mob through their ties with Skinny Joey. I don't think many Pagans ever made lots of money. Most of them started off as semi-broke metalhead white trash and most of them ended as semi-broke metalhead white trash.

Despite the fact that Whitey Bulger was a stoolie for the better part of his criminal career, the underworld buzz of the Irish was still WAY outlived by the Patriarca's.

Rudaj and the Albanians were a bunch of nutters, but at the end of the day they were nothing but a bunch of glorified street goons. The Luccheses at that time were severely weakened and the Lucchese-connected Greeks never had the muscle to protect their own turf. Rudaj went after the weakest target he could find. He didn't dare to hit the Genovese spots, even though they were a lot closer for the Albanians than Astoria was. Alright, they held their own against the Gambinos but if a second argument like this ever broke out after I'm quite certain they would've gotten their careers cut short in a bloodier fashion than the single RICO indictment did.

Matthews tried and he did so in a more intelligent fashion than most. And if that big master plan gathering of those major African American, Cuban and Puerto Rican drug distributors of the time actually came to a successful conclusion, who knows what would've happened... Yet that's the thing, there was so much heat put on him that he didn't have any control over the situation anymore. The DEA was hunting for him big time, his major dealers got whacked left and right by rival black gangs...the only thing that saved him was fleeing the country. His criminal high life only lasted a few years in the end.

As far as I know the Vice Lords got a couple of their men killed by the Outfit, not the other way around. I never read about the Black P Stones and the Mob bothering each other; they mostly let each other handle their own business. Same with the Philly Black Mafia - who fractioned rather quickly.

I don't really think any of these groups ever "won" anything in the long run.

Ernie the Greek would've been toast if it weren't for the Assyrians intervening.

The Pagans eventually still ended up doing menial tasks for the Philly Mob through their ties with Skinny Joey. I don't think many Pagans ever made lots of money. Most of them started off as semi-broke metalhead white trash and most of them ended as semi-broke metalhead white trash.

Despite the fact that Whitey Bulger was a stoolie for the better part of his criminal career, the underworld buzz of the Irish was still WAY outlived by the Patriarca's.

Rudaj and the Albanians were a bunch of nutters, but at the end of the day they were nothing but a bunch of glorified street goons. The Luccheses at that time were severely weakened and the Lucchese-connected Greeks never had the muscle to protect their own turf. Rudaj went after the weakest target he could find. He didn't dare to hit the Genovese spots, even though they were a lot closer for the Albanians than Astoria was. Alright, they held their own against the Gambinos but if a second argument like this ever broke out after I'm quite certain they would've gotten their careers cut short in a bloodier fashion than the single RICO indictment did.

Matthews tried and he did so in a more intelligent fashion than most. And if that big master plan gathering of those major African American, Cuban and Puerto Rican drug distributors of the time actually came to a successful conclusion, who knows what would've happened... Yet that's the thing, there was so much heat put on him that he didn't have any control over the situation anymore. The DEA was hunting for him big time, his major dealers got whacked left and right by rival black gangs...the only thing that saved him was fleeing the country. His criminal high life only lasted a few years in the end.

As far as I know the Vice Lords got a couple of their men killed by the Outfit, not the other way around. I never read about the Black P Stones and the Mob bothering each other; they mostly let each other handle their own business. Same with the Philly Black Mafia - who fractioned rather quickly.

Read into Prohibition era St Louis. Italians were dropping like flies.

Vice Lord had 1 VP killed and of course they retaliated for that hit. It's in my archives about the Outfit & Stones interactions. Allegedly the Stones burned down a restuarant tied to the Outfit. Philly Black Mob lasted 16-17 years and a spin off still could be active.

I don't really think any of these groups ever "won" anything in the long run.

Ernie the Greek would've been toast if it weren't for the Assyrians intervening.

The Pagans eventually still ended up doing menial tasks for the Philly Mob through their ties with Skinny Joey. I don't think many Pagans ever made lots of money. Most of them started off as semi-broke metalhead white trash and most of them ended as semi-broke metalhead white trash.

Despite the fact that Whitey Bulger was a stoolie for the better part of his criminal career, the underworld buzz of the Irish was still WAY outlived by the Patriarca's.

Rudaj and the Albanians were a bunch of nutters, but at the end of the day they were nothing but a bunch of glorified street goons. The Luccheses at that time were severely weakened and the Lucchese-connected Greeks never had the muscle to protect their own turf. Rudaj went after the weakest target he could find. He didn't dare to hit the Genovese spots, even though they were a lot closer for the Albanians than Astoria was. Alright, they held their own against the Gambinos but if a second argument like this ever broke out after I'm quite certain they would've gotten their careers cut short in a bloodier fashion than the single RICO indictment did.

Matthews tried and he did so in a more intelligent fashion than most. And if that big master plan gathering of those major African American, Cuban and Puerto Rican drug distributors of the time actually came to a successful conclusion, who knows what would've happened... Yet that's the thing, there was so much heat put on him that he didn't have any control over the situation anymore. The DEA was hunting for him big time, his major dealers got whacked left and right by rival black gangs...the only thing that saved him was fleeing the country. His criminal high life only lasted a few years in the end.

As far as I know the Vice Lords got a couple of their men killed by the Outfit, not the other way around. I never read about the Black P Stones and the Mob bothering each other; they mostly let each other handle their own business. Same with the Philly Black Mafia - who fractioned rather quickly.

I don't really think any of these groups ever "won" anything in the long run.

Ernie the Greek would've been toast if it weren't for the Assyrians intervening.

The Pagans eventually still ended up doing menial tasks for the Philly Mob through their ties with Skinny Joey. I don't think many Pagans ever made lots of money. Most of them started off as semi-broke metalhead white trash and most of them ended as semi-broke metalhead white trash.

Despite the fact that Whitey Bulger was a stoolie for the better part of his criminal career, the underworld buzz of the Irish was still WAY outlived by the Patriarca's.

Rudaj and the Albanians were a bunch of nutters, but at the end of the day they were nothing but a bunch of glorified street goons. The Luccheses at that time were severely weakened and the Lucchese-connected Greeks never had the muscle to protect their own turf. Rudaj went after the weakest target he could find. He didn't dare to hit the Genovese spots, even though they were a lot closer for the Albanians than Astoria was. Alright, they held their own against the Gambinos but if a second argument like this ever broke out after I'm quite certain they would've gotten their careers cut short in a bloodier fashion than the single RICO indictment did.

Matthews tried and he did so in a more intelligent fashion than most. And if that big master plan gathering of those major African American, Cuban and Puerto Rican drug distributors of the time actually came to a successful conclusion, who knows what would've happened... Yet that's the thing, there was so much heat put on him that he didn't have any control over the situation anymore. The DEA was hunting for him big time, his major dealers got whacked left and right by rival black gangs...the only thing that saved him was fleeing the country. His criminal high life only lasted a few years in the end.

As far as I know the Vice Lords got a couple of their men killed by the Outfit, not the other way around. I never read about the Black P Stones and the Mob bothering each other; they mostly let each other handle their own business. Same with the Philly Black Mafia - who fractioned rather quickly.

1. Is not so easy to whack Ernie the Greek


http://gangsterreport.com/surving-the-mob-ernie-kanakis-had-9-lives/



Ernest (Ernie the Greek) Kanakis refused to die quietly and instead killed the three local mafia “button men” sent to kill him on July 11, 1976. Kanakis, a gambling specialist who broke off a business relationship with mobster Frank (Frankie Razz) Randazzo, was brought to Randazzo’s basement on the city’s eastside and attacked. Stabbed repeatedly with an ice pick, When the assassins went to shoot Kanakis in the head, the gun jammed and a bleeding Ernie the Greek took out a revolver of his own from a holster on his leg and shot Frankie Razz, Joe Siragusa and Nicolo (Nick the Executioner) Ditta, a renowned mid-Twentieth Century Motor City version of Godfather character Luca Brasi. Acquitted of the triple murder on a claim of self-defense at trial, Kanakis survived another attempt by the mob to kill him in 1983.
That time came in December of 1982, when crime family lieutenant, Frank “Frankie the Bomb” Bommarito, a highly-feared local underworld enforcer and trusted member of Vito Giacalone’s crew, summoned widely-known motor city hitman, Charles Acker, to a meeting at a Detroit-area Denny’s Restaurant. After some initial small talk in a secluded back booth of the restaurant, Bommarito offered Acker $5,000 cash if he would kill Ernie the Greek Kanakis. In a gruesome added twist, he said he would throw in an added $2,000 bonus if after he completed the job, took photographs of the corpse and crime scene, and sent them in a Christmas card to the Giacalone brothers.



Frankie the Bomb” Bommarito


Acker agreed to the deal and several more meetings ensued between himself and Bommarito to discuss logistics in the hit contract. Eventually, over dozens of cups of coffee, spread over a three month period, the two pair decided how, where, and when they would attempt to kill Kanakis for the second time. This time the mob seemed confidant they wouldn’t miss.

Everything appeared to be going perfectly as planned. The specifics had been worked out and the wheels of the second contract were in heavy motion. However, soon a major glitch was discovered in their homicidal agenda – Acker was working for the federal government.

Since the very first time he had met with Bommarito at Denny’s to discuss murdering Ernie Kanakis, Acker had been wired for sound, secretly recording every conversation he engaged in with Frankie The Bomb and turning them over to the FBI.

“Charlie Acker came to us and told us that Frankie the Bomb wanted him to hit Ernie Kanakis and all we could think of at the office was how sadistic it was to wait in the shadows for almost 10 years and then come after him like that. It was like an animal stalking its prey, waiting just for the exact right time to pounce and devour it.”

Arrested in January of 1983, Frank Bommarito was convicted and jailed on the charge of conspiracy to commit attempted murder and served close to three years in prison for the offense. On the other hand, Kanakis was in a state of shock, stunned and emotionally shaken by the entire incident, but at the same time refusing to buckle under the pressure being put on him by the local mafia.
Always a man who craved action and fed up with his time lurking in the shadows, around 1987, over a decade removed from streets, Ernie the Greek hooked up with some members of the city’s Arab mafia and went back into running a series of hugely profitable gambling rackets. Partnered with Tahrir “Crazy Tommy” Kalasho, a top lieutenant to his uncle Lou “The Hammerhead” Akrawi, the reputed founder and boss of the local Chaldean (non-Muslim Iraqis) crime syndicate, Kanakis built his gambling business back up to practically the point it had been prior to his falling out with the mob.

The only problem was that all the money Kanakis and Kalasho started making and the clientele they were generating began showing up on the mafia’s radar. They hadn’t forgotten about their old nemesis and they wanted to know why the Chaldeans were doing business with him. Furthermore, they wanted Kalasho to serve him up to them so they could finally have him killed like they had been trying to do for 11 years.

In another stroke of good fortune for Kanakis, the Chaldeans refused to deliver their new and large-earning friend to his butchering. Instead, they went to bat for him and ended up saving his life. Reaching out to one of their contacts in the mafia, Antonio “Tony the Zip” Ciraulo, the Chaldeans requested that Ciraulo, a lieutenant in the Giacalone brothers’ regime, arrange for a sit-down to sort out the two parties’ differences. Ciraulo, eventually convicted on murder charges in the early-1990s and sent to prison for the rest of his life, had the sit-down arranged for the week leading up to Thanksgiving 1987 at his bar in Warren.
Delivering a sizeable chunk of cash to the Giacalones at the meeting and offering them a percentage of their gambling interests, the Chaldeans asked permission to have the contract lifted on Kanakis’ life. Tommy Kalasho said he would personally vouch for Ernie the Greek and take responsibility for all issues related to his work on the street.

The Italians had always respected the Chaldeans for their ironfisted approach to leadership and gutsy takeover of territory almost as soon as they landed in the state of Michigan from Iraq in the early-1970s. This led to the Giacalones finally removing the contract on Kanakis and letting him off the hook. From that point forward, Ernie the Greek was one of the most-rare commodities in the world – someone who unflinchingly challenged the mafia head on and lived.

2. The Pagans don't joke

Pagans Mc against Scarfo Mob https://desguace.mforos.com/575576/7387809-va-de-pagans-ahora/

From his throne room in the back of a rundown warehouse on South Bancroft Street, Little Nicky issued an edict demanding that every drug monger, bookmaker, tattoo artist, titty-bar owner, pizza twirler and chop-shop grease monkey in Philadelphia pay tribute for the privilege of doing business on the streets of his empire. To collect this tax he dispatched a band of thugs, who determined the rate by how scared their victims looked and how much they thought they could squeeze out of them. Those who didn’t pay were beaten senseless with baseball bats, usually on the open street, as a warning to Little Nicky’s other subjects who might prove recalcitrant.



But when Nicky’s tax collectors paid a call on the Pagans, the bearded bikers did not look scared at all. In fact, they laughed right in the faces of Scarfo’s clean-shaven wops. Little Nicky considered this an insult, and he ordered his enforcers to teach these rude cycle-bums a lesson they would not soon forget. But Scarfo’s stooges wanted no part of the chain-wielding Pagans. They told Scarfo that these guys were even crazier than the Mulignanes and that there was no telling how they might retaliate. So nothing was done; the dispute settled into a stalemate, with Little Nicky seething in his warehouse and the Pagans doing pretty much whatever they wanted all over Philadelphia.



Relations between the Pagans and the mob festered like a swollen abscess, which finally burst on a spring night in 1984, when Little Nicky’s hard-drinking underboss, Salvatore “Chuckie” Merlino, staggered out of a restaurant in South Philadelphia and saw a Pagan sitting on a motorcycle. Fortified with the kind of courage that comes out of a bottle, Scarfo’s drunken underboss rammed his car into the bike and sent the Pagan sprawling into the street.



While he was lying in a hospital bed, the Pagan was visited by his bike-riding brethren. One of them found an accident report lying on the table next to the bed where the police had left it. When he picked it up, the name Salvatore Merlino jumped up in his face. Underneath Merlino’s name was a South Philadelphia address. “Look at this,” he said, as he began stabbing the paper with his finger right under the address. He then passed it around the room, and his bearded brethren all began grinning as they read it. The next night a band of Pagans pulled up at the address of the house on the accident report and shot more than 200 rounds of ammunition through the walls, windows and doors, while Merlino’s terrified mother crouched on the floor, peeing herself under a shower of lead and glass. As Detective Friel later put it: “The incident went unavenged. This brazen insult to the majesty of the Men of Honor was never punished. The Mafia bullies had been bullied by the bike-riding bullies and backed down.” In fact, Scarfo’s people ultimately coughed up $5,000 for bike repairs and hospital bills.


3: Black Mass

Whitey Bulger and The Winter Hill Gang dominated the Boston underworld thanks to the rogue agent Connolly.

4.Rudaj Organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudaj_Organization

Rudaj led an attack in August 2001 on two Greek associates of the Lucchese crime family who ran a gambling racket inside a Greek social club called Soccer Fever at 26-80 30th St. in Queens. On August 3, 2001 Rudaj and at least six other men entered the club with guns, beating one of the men in the head with a pistol and chasing others out of the neighborhood by threatening to destroy the building.

Gambino leader Arnold Squitieri had had enough and wanted a talk with these rogue mobsters. The "sit down" took place at a gas station in a rest area near the New Jersey turnpike. Twenty armed Gambino mobsters accompanied Squitieri. Alex Rudaj on the other hand had only managed to bring six members of his crew. According to undercover FBI agent Joaquin Garcia, who infiltrated the Gambino crime family during this period, Squitieri told Rudaj that the fun was over and that they should stop expanding their operations. The Albanians and Gambinos then pulled out their weapons. Knowing they were outnumbered, the Albanians threatened to blow up the gas station with all of them in it. This ended the discussion, and both groups pulled back.

I agree with just about everything but Whitey.

Whether you know about the Mafia or not youve heard of or seen Whitey everywhere in America. If you didn't live in the Northeast of the country during the early 80s then you have no clue of who Gennaro Angiulo is.

As far as Boston OC goes Whitey is the last chapter in the history books of America.

Nobody knows who Peter Limone is, even though he has a great story. Nobody knows about the Animal, Baby Shacks, the Cheese Man. I'm not goin to argue that Patricia had more power during his day but from the time Whitey moved to the North End he did whatever he wanted.

But saying the Patricia name has outlived the Whitey Franchise, your sadly mistaken. I can go to my library in Arkansas right now and check out 4 different books on Bulger.

You watch a mob doc on any channel, if the subject is Boston it's about Bulger. May not even mention Patricia, at all really, and Angiulo exits stage left very early.

Then Whitey goes on a 10 year crime spree.

As far as a name goes,
his has gone.

The Patricia Family, yes we know who they are but in middle America? They are nothing.

During prohibition and before they were occasionally losing or even with many gangs. I think it depends on the city the disputes took place in. No gang is unbeatable all the time. I never believed stories of Harlem gangsters being pushed around or extorted by Italians, or of them dominating motorcycle gangs in areas where MC's were strong. I think the mob stayed strong by always trying to work things out to the good of both sides, when possible.

Good work Furio I enjoyed this.

Good work Furio I enjoyed this.

You watch a mob doc on any channel, if the subject is Boston it's about Bulger. May not even mention Patricia, at all really, and Angiulo exits stage left very early.

And dont forget the black that beated up John Gotti in prison and that is still alive.

He was killed by police after he got out I think?

I don't really think any of these groups ever "won" anything in the long run.

Ernie the Greek would've been toast if it weren't for the Assyrians intervening.

The Pagans eventually still ended up doing menial tasks for the Philly Mob through their ties with Skinny Joey. I don't think many Pagans ever made lots of money. Most of them started off as semi-broke metalhead white trash and most of them ended as semi-broke metalhead white trash.

Despite the fact that Whitey Bulger was a stoolie for the better part of his criminal career, the underworld buzz of the Irish was still WAY outlived by the Patriarca's.

Rudaj and the Albanians were a bunch of nutters, but at the end of the day they were nothing but a bunch of glorified street goons. The Luccheses at that time were severely weakened and the Lucchese-connected Greeks never had the muscle to protect their own turf. Rudaj went after the weakest target he could find. He didn't dare to hit the Genovese spots, even though they were a lot closer for the Albanians than Astoria was. Alright, they held their own against the Gambinos but if a second argument like this ever broke out after I'm quite certain they would've gotten their careers cut short in a bloodier fashion than the single RICO indictment did.

Matthews tried and he did so in a more intelligent fashion than most. And if that big master plan gathering of those major African American, Cuban and Puerto Rican drug distributors of the time actually came to a successful conclusion, who knows what would've happened... Yet that's the thing, there was so much heat put on him that he didn't have any control over the situation anymore. The DEA was hunting for him big time, his major dealers got whacked left and right by rival black gangs...the only thing that saved him was fleeing the country. His criminal high life only lasted a few years in the end.

As far as I know the Vice Lords got a couple of their men killed by the Outfit, not the other way around. I never read about the Black P Stones and the Mob bothering each other; they mostly let each other handle their own business. Same with the Philly Black Mafia - who fractioned rather quickly.