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Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier
[Re: MeyerLansky]
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11/09/19 09:42 AM
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yeah well small cities = less law enforcement heat and less problems with other families and gangs I think only because in NY there was more players while in the small families a boss especially if born in sicily could take the power and don't be afraid because he can easly replace his enemies with friend or parents. That was a reason because more of these families are exinct. The Tampa family ended with the death of Trafficante jr,same thing after Marcello death. Scalish refused to made new blood and the family was disbanded in the 1980s even if won against Danny Greene and so on. An exception is detroit that at last is mostly made by the Giacalone-Tocco families.
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Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier
[Re: Galassi70]
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11/09/19 11:56 AM
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They may have had it easier. But another way to look at it is with keeping things low key/out of the public eye, they didn't continue to reinforce the ranks. 75% of the familes in the south/midwest are all but gone. Detroit, and its debatable. is still active but small in scale because they kept it within blood lines.
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Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier
[Re: Galassi70]
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11/09/19 10:53 PM
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Yes and no. If you take any small family from 1930 to the 1950s, you can see they had internal strifes until those members in the family are either killed or finally died from natural causes. Narcotics is always a big money maker and that allowed the FBN to get involved and cultivate their own informants. When the FBI got involved that gave every boss more headaches. What allowed the smaller families to operate was corruption, more room to spread out so hardly anyone was stepping on someone else's shoes, and stronger blood ties between members of those families. When talking about eastcoast, you have to not just mentioned New York, but New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Florida (Miami), where there is alot of members belonging to different families operating in those states and do step on other members toes more often. When the FBI got involved and scrutinized the families more, you can see guys backed by New York, Chicago or Buffalo get the top spot, by capos realizing that such and such has backing from three commission members or more, so they just vote for that person and convey to their crew members in subtle veil threats if they plan on voting someone else that it is in their best interest to vote for the guy backed up by a majority of Commission members. The FBI put so much strain and pressure on bosses that those bosses made mistakes and errors in their own judgment that angered members in their families, thus if they were not careful how they handled the situation within their own family there could be a revolt against their leadership. Take Buffalo for one example. Magaddino was so preoccupied with Canada and the Bonanno family that he neglected some of his key areas such as Rochester which split from his family, the feds shined light on what he was doing with the money that was supposed to be for the crime family. Another example is Chicago, the feds hounded Giancana so much that he could not think clear as time went on and he fell for their trap. Over the years, the members of his crime family were growing angry at his antics until finally they removed him peaceful from the boss spot. Los Angeles, Desimone decided to distance himself from low level members of his family and only use his Underboss and Consigliere as messengers to avoid law enforcement, which was a bad move as this created resentment from members of his family and he decline the family to get involved in new rackets, deals, and business partner relationships with other groups that it weakened the LA family just to avoid the law. Marcello is talked alot in this thread, but his leadership had been challenged twice during his reign and he only remained as boss because the commission members ruled that he remain boss of New Orleans and his detractors honoured the Commission ruling in both cases.
"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
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Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier
[Re: OakAsFan]
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11/10/19 02:25 AM
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I'm not talking about a mere presence, I mean control over organized crime. That's what I'm speaking on Oak. Think about how much info on southern OC groups/networks outside of LCN. I dug around for years and have come across some. The full details range from scant to semi detailed based on the locations. Memphis had a political machine/syndicate that engaged in OC alongside with major racketeers in which 1 was Irish....who was supplanted by an Non-LCN Italian racketeer ( chances of that LoL) . As early as the 70s & before ATL newspaper release OC related reports in the city and Black syndicates were the leading factor with a modest mention to LCN members/associates. New Orleans will primary focus on OC is LCN despite the other racketeers who may or not kicked up to Marcello. Likewise with Tampa.
If you think you are too small to make a difference, you haven't spend the night with a mosquito. - African Proverb
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Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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11/11/19 05:24 PM
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Pittsburgh crime family: after the LaRocca reign (1956-1984) when chucky porter was made in 1986 he was the younger in the family (and porter was 50 y old at the time and so on)
Wasn't there someone in between John LaRocca and Chucky Porter?
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Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier
[Re: Lou_Para]
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11/12/19 12:54 PM
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I think Sonny Ciancutti got his button around the same time as Chucky but i don't know if it was before. Also, I think Zebo got his around that time.no? I believe Henry was made shortly after Lenny ordered the hit on Ernie Biondillo in 1996. However I don't know when Sonny got his button. Henry went from being in Youngstown a couple of days a month to a few days a week.
"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier
[Re: Galassi70]
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11/12/19 01:35 PM
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From Pennsylvania crime report 1989
BUFALINO LeN FAMILY MEMBERS
Salvatore Aleccia 74 Angelo Bufalino 59 Russell Bufalino 85 Frank Cannone 67 WilliamD'Elia 42 Anthony De Stefano 78 Charles Fratello 48 Anthony Guarnieri 78 Michael Insalaco 52 William Meringola 63 Anthony J. Mosco 46 James Osticco 76 Augustine Riolo 71 Samuel Rotella 66 Anthony Santacrose, Jr. 57 Albert Scalleat 69 Edward Sciandra 76
Despite the evidence of ongoing activity, the leadership of the Bufalino LCN Family is aging and inpoor health; its membership is in decline. Bufalino has been reluctant to admit new members. If the Bufalino LCN Family is not soon revitalized, there is a probability that the interests of this Family will beassumed by another LCN Family or criminal organization.
The following are members of the LaRocca/ Genovese LCN Family: • Michael Genovese, 69, 4348 Clendenning Road, Gibsonia, PA; • Frank "Sonny" Amato, Jr., 61, 704 Broadway Street, East McKeesport, PA; II John Bazzano, Jr., 61, 107 LynnbrookDrive, McMurray, PA; • Anthony A. "Wango" Capizzi, 63, 4451 Middle Road, Allison Park, PA; • Thomas A. "Sonny" Ciancutti, 59, 1906 Kenneth Avenue, New Kensington, PA; • Pasquale Macri "Pat" Ferruccio, 71, owner of Liberty Vending, 401 High Street, NW, Canton, OH; • Charles J. "Chucky" Porter, 55, 3999 Old William Penn Highway, Penn Hills, PA; • Louis Raucci, 58, 133 Hulton Road, Verona, PA; • Antonio "Anthony" Ripepi, 86, 4720 Brownsville Road, Pittsburgh; • Joseph Sica, Sr., 80, 1148 Jefferson Heights, Penn Hills; • Henry Zottola, 53, 9242 Wedgewood Drive, Pittsburgh.
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