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Re: Why didnt associates just form their own families?
[Re: Strax]
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09/18/19 04:47 AM
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Post about John Gotti ? I never even discuss about him , im much more focused on Italian mafia groups in Italy. I did not mean the question you asked to be pointless , but conversation we are having here , we are not getting anywhere with this
@Nitro: Look what happened to Albanians and any other small groups,they were all done in 5 years or so. This is not the golden age of mafia anymore, small groups stick around for a very short time. In New York, sure you are right. The Feds watch closely they don't want war or new groups. But look how many RICO cases against russians in Florida,Cali oder midwest we saw ? Not much. The Midwest families were less destroyed by Feds but by aging. Outside New York i don't know one RICO case connected with FBI middle East squad . So chaldean, lebanese, pakistanis are more or less not under pressure. Exemplary in last 5-10 years New Orleans had only three RICO cases and all three against gangs. How many cases in Phoenix, AZ ? Social changes are maybe the worst enemy against OLD OC groups. But it doens't mean that there are no possibilities for OC groups. The whole Pay Day loan are perfect for them.
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Re: Why didnt associates just form their own families?
[Re: Strax]
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09/18/19 05:22 AM
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Why do you keep saying RICO ? People are getting locked up 15-20 years without RICO when there are drugs involved. No need for RICO to wipe out small groups
There are no hope if they don't have constant flow of new members,especially if they get too powerful , they will get wiped out. But say they do? It's not entirely impossible. I think they have refrained from doing it because the odds are stacked against them, and those who aspire to be will aspire to be with one of the existing orgs.
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Re: Why didnt associates just form their own families?
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09/18/19 07:45 PM
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Sammy the bull tried to start his own family and he was once an underboss. That’s right b
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Re: Why didnt associates just form their own families?
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09/20/19 10:31 PM
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I was thinking more ike 10-20 associates move somewhere like DES MOINES and set up shop. get ties with the british columbia weed dealers etc and just make a big LCN org in a new city. I get it most guys want to be in the hood with the guys they know. family ties etc. it was purely hypothetical situation.
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Re: Why didnt associates just form their own families?
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09/23/19 08:42 AM
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I was thinking more ike 10-20 associates move somewhere like DES MOINES and set up shop. get ties with the british columbia weed dealers etc and just make a big LCN org in a new city. I get it most guys want to be in the hood with the guys they know. family ties etc. it was purely hypothetical situation.
I find this thread very intruiging I don't get why everyone's saying it would be impossible The families probably got small crews of 10-20 men in all kinds of states and towns or cities. Guys operating gambling and loansharking in say Missouri or Louisiana Who's to say there really aren't an under the radar crime family somewhere that the feds haven't picked up on? 40-50 guys in total are enough to make millions and have some muscle on the streets. I find it very possible and I guess the future is when we'll ever know. Suddenly there is a massive mob bust in New Orleans or in Salem, Oregon
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Re: Why didnt associates just form their own families?
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09/28/19 06:16 AM
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In the 'Ndrangheta, the locali enjoy a high degree of autonomy when it comes to conducting business. But the structure of the hierarchy is not negotiable. When Carmelo Novella, the head of the Lombardy 'Ndrangheta, tried to operate independently, he was shot dead in 2008. the same is for cosa nostra, when some members formed the so called stidda it started a war that left hundreds dead, in the states i never heard somebody formed an own family without permission of the others families it's not like crips and bloods or ms13 that can form their own group easily I'm consistently seeing new groups emerging from within older ones. The Mallardo clan split, the Piscopisani clan, there are emerging clans in Canada, yall gotta stop using the Five Families as the Contemporary model, it's actually NOT really accurate... @m2w What did you think about Renauds new article? The Canada guys on the other board wont go near it, it seems....
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