Reading the book "Carmine the Snake" and wondering what's the current status of the family since Carmine passed? Who's in charge? member numbers? Where are they still most dominate and what rackets? Seems to me they're an older family with relatively few younger members. I've always been interested in this family since I find them the most interesting from the three civil wars and Carmine holding the top spot for so long while in jail.

Gone are the glory days and they've moved to Staten Island. They inducted some new guys recently. About a half a dozen or so.

Seems like at snakes wake was held in coney island invite only according to capeci they must have proposed the new boss. All his cellmates and mafia blood family must have all got a card. Im guessing its russo even thou hes like 85. But some where someone threw out a guy robert donofrio in his mid 50tys. Did alot of time for the colombo war in 90tys. . You never know whose on some of these boards but it sounded to me like the guy new alot about the inner workings and probaly flipped. Like someone said they moved over to staten. But so did all the luchese guys. Teddy jr is out n a yr or 2 he'll be back in the fold

Think last colombo to flip was that guy ray something 2010 11. The bonannos had 2 or 3 guys flip in the last few yrs they didnt do shit to really get anyone indicted but a crew or 2. Luchese have this 1 guy from staten island ready to go against crea and them. Gambino and genovese both havnt had any one since 10yrs. The springfield guys but all they did was rat on each other and artie nigro

They actually are stil active in Bensonhurst and Dyker Heights a lot more activity than I thought.

A lot of petty B.S. small dollar loan sharking, selling pills, coke


They haven't had a Charismatic leader on the streets in a long time since they took out Wild Bill
They do have some capable younger guys however, they are way in the shadows

Wild Bill was cosa nostra to core he was a leader and had a HUGE following

Mush Russo tried to bring everyone back into the fold however, he used that meat head Anthony Russo,

Def more going on in S.I. than B.K.

Maybe things will change with SNAKE GONE,

Allie will be the official Boss and Russo is probably the acting boss, if he isn't already retired. The Persico's rule the Colombo's and that doesn't change just because Carmine is dead.

Just my 2 cents i dont think the other 4 famiies would allow the official boss tittle to go from carmine to his son doing life. I think barney,cefulo, and mancuso would kibosh it. This is there time to flex there boss power. 3 official on the street and the luchese have a street boss in brooklyn. It will be probaly another relative even as a figure head. But i dont think the other families ok it.

Will get the full story by xmis

So barney,Cefalù and Mancuso will appoint Teddy jr as boss?
I think that for the other families doesnt matter who have the boss title because its enought that there are someone on the streets which made meetings and take decosina on common rackets.
Plus would be better for them that the colombo remain weak.
I lost my blackhand account but I saw that the family had 9 capos and more or less 100 made men.

Not saying it will not be Teddy but he is very reckless and has bad judgment and did not mingle with any of the bosses that are now the heads of the families.

All the bosses knew the guys that are running the family ( now ) and Allie .

If Teddy is put up it may be the end as we know it of the Colombo’s . He has a habit of letting new guys get close let alone the guys that get pinched and rat that he has no control over.

Interesting info, I was thinking Mush Russo was the new boss but being in his 80's might work against him, however he is Persico blood.

He was recorded saying that the life is all for him and that will continue to be a wiseguy until his dead,so no retirement.

End of the day whoever is still powerfull in that family theres a few old capos will have a vote for boss. Theres no way allie still has that much pull to make capos on the street vote him in as boss well hes never coming home. Your only as strong as your boss why make the boss official when hes never getting out. I think vinny gorgeous tried to become the official boss of the bonannos and he couldnt they elected mike nose in 2005 then vinny wanted him dead that guy cicale was saying

It probaly is russo unless he didnt want it maybe he thinks someone younger who he respects would be more suited for it.

I agree but stranger things have happened and that’s one reason why Teddy may and if they the skippers that is and others will put someone else up .

I know that when Michael gets out he is out of Brooklyn he is moving but that’s a different story there.

No way Andy Russo is retired. Only time he'll be retired is when his life expires. He's in the same mold as Carmine Persico.

I have a feeling he's Acting Boss. Guy has been at the top or near the top for many decades. He's the most logical choice as acting boss despite his age. He was around during the heyday of the mob.

That guy joel waverly gets out soon. But will probaly be on parole for 5yrs. That guy dennis delucia, ben claw, teddy persico. Some of this guys are up in age but all there sons n nephews are inducted. Shit tommy shots gets out in like 3 yrs

Is there a recent chart ofthem on here? Slap it up furio

I only have this:




For a text chart ask blackhand forum members.

After seeing this chart, assuming it’s accurate the Columbos aren’t in as bad of shape as I suspected. Of course only assuming the chart is accurate. Thank you all for the input.

Yes is accurate.The Colombo start rebuilding after had the permission in the early 2000s to made new people. Plus Andy Russo was able to convince what that was de facto independent crews to turn into the family ranks or turn to give a share of their rackets to the Colombos.

There you go ....

And the blood that follows him and the others are all in.

Now you can bet that they are organized and taking care of Teddy because Teddy may not fall in line if it’s not blood at the top , he will always be a problem or or he may finally settle down after being in the joint half his life , so I’m sure the head of the family is getting everything inline before he hits the street and bet your ass the only two people he will listen to is Michael and Allie and possibly another cousin I will not name.

Before Tommy shots got pinched he had a hell of a crew of guys and most of them are on the street and know the life .

There are a few older skippers in the family that have crews and those skippers have been teaching a shit load of guys through the years and with the guys getting out , that family has been quiet and just earning.

After looking at that chart i would think between the long island guys and guys who were orena guys and even the old persico loyalists they would vote for a guy on the street or they look like abunch of assholes naming a guy doing life. Im sure theyll still have alot of sway in the family but this is there chance to stabilize there family after carmine was in jail 30yrs

Theyre not gonna name Allie Boy as the new boss. No way. Makes no sense. If they're smart they pick somebody who is on the street and not too old. maybe Uvino or Amato.

Pmac and Ralphie : Agreed , and they will need all the blood of the family to vote that way or else it’s going back to blood and like you said Allie would not be a good choice and nor would Teddy .

There a few guys that should get it and a couple are blood but they are on the street and the couple that are not blood should get it also.


It’s really good for that family right now that the information is not on the street yet . Look how fast everyone knew who was filling in for the Gambinos a week after Cali’s shooting.....I give the Colombo’s props for keeping the family hush hush.

I think all of us may have been giving the slip. Through my research, carmine may have officially taken a step back sometime before 2009; in 2009 the judge ordered Allie boy not to have any communications with criminals. So if this is true either an official boss may have been chosen as early as 2009

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pressreader.com/usa/new-york-daily-news/20090608/282553014209452&ved=2ahUKEwiI6Mi8yJnkAhVn1lkKHU9dB60QFjAHegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw37FBxD7GofHkmAIP3d1H75&cshid=1566583450515

My bad with the link, anyway in 2019 my money is on joseph amato to be boss

In my opinion, Andy Russo was made official boss back in 2009, he could have taking a step back due to age which would leave his son billy Russo or Joseph amato or both at the top, respectfully my opinion of course

I bet on Teddy Jr.