Anthony Accetturo was a powerful captain incharge of the Lucchese's New Jersey Faction. I have a few questions.

1. Was he a suitable candidate to succeed Anthony Corallo?? They were close friends and Tony Ducks thought alot of Accetturo. Don't know why Ducks didn't think about having him succeed him.

2. Why did Accetturo sign his death warrant by refusing to kick up more money to Amuso and Casso? They are the bosses.

3. Was the New Jersey crew the most powerful crew in the family or does that honor go to the Bronx crews? It's a shame Casso and Amuso got rid of Mikey Salerno.

1. Because he was a jersey guy through n through. There were too many powers in nyc crews for them to answer to jersey. Especially back in the 80s

2. Probably a mix of the following - an element of his ego, the writing on the wall that Casso and Amuso will replace him and kill him like they done with others, financially he didn’t want to give up that much.

The changing of the crowns in the Lucchese family was not that straight forward. The RICO convictions hit them very hard, Ducks, Tom Mix, and Consigliere Tick were convicted and Buddy Luongo was supposed to take control. Christy Tick was the blue collar end in Brooklyn working out of Dyker Hts and the real money power was in the Bronx with Unions, Construction, Garment center. Before the baton could be passed Tick informed Amuso and Gas and they promptly murdered Luongo well actually Bobby Amuso was on blast.
A murderous campaign ensued of downsizing by the deadly duo of murdering the white collar millionaires with brains while brawny thugs robbed them of their lifelong rackets.
Tumac was in the middle of fighting his own RICO case in Jersey and wouldn’t meet Casso for his own safety and legal reasons but They got really pissed when Tumac gave them a pittance.
Ducks was so fucking rich he wasn’t even asking Tumac for money for decades but Casso and amuso had unbridled greed and hate in their hearts.
The passing of the baton from the greatest generation to the Baby boomers was the death knell of LCN as we knew it.

Ithink tumac like a long list of rats likes to inflate themselves. I dont ever think he was in consideration for any top slot. Ducks was a nyc guy even thou he was on long island. Positive ducks also orderd the hit on buddy loungo. Or the transition for amuso to takeover wouldnt have gone so smooth. Ducks would have investigated it and bosses from other families. Theres only 1 crew for the luchese in new New Jersey. Its a huge crew thats why they called it a satellite family. But i dont ever think even the underboss back then would be from anywhere then nyc. Chin made bobby manna his consig but i think he was from nyc or like right over the bridge. Also made back in 50tys

"Five fuckin' families, and you got this pigmy thing over in Jersey.“

Pmac, The Genovese crime family has had underboss and Consigliere in their families from New Jeraey since the 1940s. The Colombo crime family had an underboss from New Jersey for a short time. Tommy Lucchese allegedly offered Sam Accardi the underboss position when he took over, but Sam refused the offer and remained a Capo, Lucchese reduced the tribute from New Jersey, and Ducks just followed suit when he became boss.
The Lucchese New Jersey faction was the biggest crew Luchese had due to many members were from the Vita area, that faction also had the Dolasco brothers, Pizzolato brothers, Russo brothers, Abate cousins, DiVanzo cousins quite a bit of earners from the 1930s onwards.

1. Considering he had started to spend a lot of time in Florida or was semi-retired he probably wouldn't be suitable or want to become boss of the Luccheses.

2. My guess is pride and outrage. IIRC, he was asked to go from kicking up $50,000 a year to half of everything. Tony Ducks is really to blame for this one. He should have told Amuso/Casso to only expect a little bit from Accetturo. Or told Accetturo he will have to start kicking up more because of a new regime.

3. Based on what I've read, the NJ crew was large and powerful, but I wouldn't think it could top their some of their NYC crews. They seem to be involved in more industries and I assume bigger sized rackets. I suppose it depends what time period though.

thats true i guess there were a few guys in tops spots from nj. but i still think this guy tumac had a huge ego , and thought to high of himself. he was constantly on the run from grand jury subpoenas in new jersey he couldnt go back there or he would be jailed for contemped. so he was calling the shots from florida most of the 80tys. i even wonder when he was bumped to capo of the crew cause we only know what he told selwyn rabb. he started writting rabb from jail and became his source telling rabb all his side of the story. you can find a weird quick video i think its him and his son in a dinner in nyc making jokes its strange

@Streetbossliborio
Tumac was a Jersey guy but from what I read. Anthony Corallo was pretty much smitten with him. Tumac "making" ceremony was also unusual; There was some things that Duck didnt feel like he needed to do.

@Pmac
I think Tumac was in consideration for underboss when Corallo was about to be sent away for good. I think the set up was Anthony "Buddy" Luongo as Boss. "Tumac" was suppose to be underboss. Not sure about the consigliere position. Could have been a few candidates; Mariano Maculuso; Amuso or Casso. The set up got disbanded once Luongo was whacked. I think Tony Ducks had something to do with that.

@Giacomo_Vacari.
If the Lucchese's New Jersey crew was the biggest; Why didnt they want to go to war with Casso and Amuso. Tumac and Martin Taccetta were heavy weights.

@MightyDR
You are right; Ducks should have told Anthony Accetturo that he might have to kick up more money to the Amuso/Casso regime. I think around that point; Ducks didnt really care about family operations. He was going in the can for good at a old age. Why the hell did Amuso/Casso get rid of Mikey Salerno. Worse mistake ever.. All the Bronx guys loved that man.

Its true that the boss can pretend any tribute he want and 50K a year wasnt enought to a crew like the jersey crew that had 20-30 made men and dozen of associates but pretend the 50% was too. In the other cases there would be a meeting but Casso and Amuso was so greedy and stupid to give the "whack new jersey" order.
I dont think that is only Amuso to blame but Casso with a more smart underboss Amuso would the mistake that did.

@Furio

The ''Whack Jersey'' order was stupid; Did Amuso and Casso think they would really get away with killing everyone in that crew?

In all honesty though; Tumac should have just listened and kicked up more; He knew the rules.

Tumac was never going to be the boss, thats bs. He didnt snub amuso out of disrespect, he did it ou of greed as well as fear. Im betting he was going to run to the bronx for protection and possibly join them in a coup attempt.
Martty was much younger than Michael. Michael T was closer to anthony. Michael ran the crew. Everyone loved michael t and everyone loved michael p. Anthony had a good relationship with corallo and was kicking up to corallo. Corallo wasnt greedy with jersey and let them earn, hence their good relationship. Michael T and tumac ere much closer to the bronx than brooklyn. The bronx and jersey were shocked when amuso became boss and even more shocked when amuso along with casso demanded a bigger cut from jersey. Jersey wasnt used to this and viewed it as a bad sign. When amuso called jersey to brooklyn, they balked ( at first) and then went. Jersey had the end of their trial and there was already some friction between anthony and michael T. Jersey as well as the bronx/ westchester were content with their prior arrangement with tony ducks. The demands amuso made were disrespectful and greedy. Jersey basically kept coming up with excuses as to why they werent bringing in more money. Other meetings were arranged and jersey wouldnt go, they didnt want to have to explain why they werent sending amuso more cash and knew amuso was pissed and he viewed jersey as a threat due to their tightness with the bronx. Amuso and casso both said, fuck it, the guys in jersey have to go. Jersey had a good crrew but not a match for casso and amuso who had a seemingly unlimited amount of shooters.
Take this to the bank- the taccetta’s made a lot of money, both michael and marty.
While this was going on, strong cases were being made by law enforcement in jersey to go after the Taccatta crew.
Taccetta wanted tumac dead as well as ricciardi. Michael tried to work out a deal with casso, thats no bs.
No one died, but many flipped and many did long stretches in prison. Marty T is still locked up and michael t and michael p are home and laying low enjoying grandchildren.

Think Tony Ducks originally wanted Buddy Luongo as Boss; and Anthony Accetturo as Underboss. He abandoned this set up though. He was not a fan of Amuso... I think Ducks was okay with Casso being in the administration cause he was good with the rackets.

Not suitable at all..Broke every rule in the mob and wouldnt pay the boss what he was demanding......Not to mention he was from jersey..Jersey wiseguys dont become boss
Tony Ducks had Buddy Luongo murdered
Vic Amuso was honorable but was ruined by gaspipe
Vic Amuso was handpicked to succeed Tony Ducks by Tony Ducks
Vic Amuso was a stone cold killer the old timers loved that

@Louiebynochi

You're right; He did break a rule; Tumac didn't want to kick up anymore money to Vic; and Gas. He should have just listened.

Vic would have been a good boss if he didn't have Casso around him. Who would have been a better underboss?? Neil Migliore? Mike Salerno?

I'm a good friend of one of Tony Duck's nephews (Tony Duck's brother's son). Tony Duck's nephew was not part of the life; but he has told me alot of stories about Ducks; and meeting Carmine Tramunti. I'm 27; and to hear the stuff I heard; It's amazing. He told me a story about meeting Vic Amuso. I may say something about it later on.. Gunna get permission first. I just don't like throwing things out there.

You could always PM anyone who's interested, which I am.

Moe; About to PM you

Who was the most powerful NJ faction though? Genovese, Luccheses or Decavalcantes?

My money's on Genovese. I haven't researched it recently, but I seem to remember them having more crews and a larger amount of rackets and territories.




Same here!

Genovese family has been the most powerful since the 1940s in New Jersey. 1930s is debatable.

@MightyDR; About to PM you.

I had that book boys of New Jersey it ended up being a movie. It's all about the luchese crew and there 18month circus trial. It was a great book and pretty good movie great actors and the movie is more like dark comedy. Anyways if I remember Tupac was living in florida from like 1980 on. He couldn't step foot in new jersey or he would be arrested for contempt so in my mind he had no chance of getting into the hierarchy. His own crew basically overthrew him. He was a absent leader so to say. He loved to tell rabb all about himself like all the turncoats and how he was wronged but he was soft he didnt want to go to jail for even 6months for contempt. He acted crazy to get out which I think is weird for a man with so much honor. Atleast chin gigantes started that shit and was doing it for decades even committed himself to not hospitals before he was even named boss so there was groundwork. Guess he was committed to the act

With tony ducks taking small tribute he probaly had his hand in so many pies in NYC he didnt care what they did down the jersey pike. Out of site out of mind

Why did Tony Ducks allow Tumac to live in Florida and remain captain of the New Jersey crew? Doesn't make any sense to be honest; Also was the Lucchese's Jersey Crew close with the Cherry Hill Gambino's at all?

Tumac took off to florida to avoid a sopena. Michael T moved there for a while but did run things in jersey for anthony while he was hiding.

Wasn't Micheal Taccetta also trying to get Tumac demoted; or killed? This was when Tony Ducks was at the top of his game. Don't think it could have worked because Ducks would have possibly found out.

Once Tony Ducks was out of the picture, the two old friends began to sour. The dots go back to Angelo Bruno killing, and they were poaching Northern New Jersey members of the Philadelphia crime family. Taccetta tried to get Accetturo demoted when Anthony promoted his own son as acting capo to be groomed for the official spot. This was during the trial, when it looked like many of the crew would be locked up. Then he was gunning for Accetturo when Michael came back into the fold with Amuso and Casso. They say Amuso gave the green light, but it is more likely Casso told Taccetta to go ahead, then he talked to Amuso to get the official order.

That, my friend , is classified document...how on earth do u know this??

So tumacs son was really a inducted member of the luchese family? He must have got made rite before tony ducks was indicted in the commission case in 85. He also must have been really young like 21.

Zav, New Jersey crew was big, but it did not go to war cause the numbers were against them and the Brooklyn faction had a lot of heavyweights in those crews.

Pmac, Taccetta was operating as acting capo since 1980, when Accetturo Sr, lived most of the time in Florida. Accetturo Sr used his son as a conduit between New Jersey and Florida for messages and orders. I dont know if Jr was made, but it was more like how John Gotti Sr was only an associate but was a capo of a crew, of course had the blessing of the Gambino administration.
Speaking of Gambino family, Taccetta got his start at a young age with a Gambino capo before hooking up with Accetturo and the two joined the Lucchese family. There is also well documented evidence from 1988 onwards of Taccetta meeting Tommy Gambino, and a couple of other Gambino members.

It was Joe Paterno that Michael got his start with. Taccetta also was in charge of New Jersey operations in 1973 to 1975 as an associate for the crew, since Abate was semi retired and Accetturo was arrested, it also didn't hurt that his father Angelo and uncle Joe Perna vouched for him. Also Ducks had the two associates operating Northern New Jersey since they were both vouched by top made members in New Jersey, he also got to know Accetturo and liked him that he had no problem making Accetturo the official Capo once he was made in 1976.

Paterno was in the same vailsburg naighborhood as Michael T. Michael did do some work with Paterno but he also did work with Tumac who was almost an older brother to him. I think Paterno lambed it to florida and taccetta spent much more time witjh accetturo and then was officially with him. Tumac was also from newark although his early years were in orange nj where he worked for ham delasco.

Isn't the Luke's Jersey crew still going with the sons of some of the guys mentioned?

Did it ever come out some Luchesse informants mouth that Amuso was totally overwhelmed by Casso?

As, that seems to be stated as a fact.
I mean Amuso , wasn't boss for nothing. How do we know Casso's saying in his book that he turned down the boss job is true?

I think Amuso has been wrongly written out of his standing

Al D'Arco seems to imply Amuso was out of his depth, but that's just one guy's opinion. The fact that Amuso was chosen as boss and has been able to keep control of the family for so long says something.

And yeah, as far as I know Casso is the only one to say he turned down the boss spot (and captain spot before that). In earlier testimony, he said Amuso became boss "after discussion within the family".
https://books.google.co.nz/books?id...0russian%20organized%20crime&f=false

I agree with you MightyDR; Amuso had been boss for over 30 years; and he's the last boss that was confirmed by the old 1985 commission. Guy isn't stupid...

He just should have a better underboss etc. Neil Migliore; Mike Salerno; maybe Sal Avellino..

Casso was nuts..

Pathetic when people try to say like they need permission to talk about someone whose been dead for 30 years and a guy who is in jail for life. Honestly who gives a fuck? It seems like you really glamorize this shit but wanting to get permission.

@Extortion

No..... What made you come out of the woods?? The last two times this past week; or so. You've been on my a**. Not going to get banned over you. I know you don't like me. Let's get back on topic here... By the way I don't glamorize the life; I just study mafiaology as a hobby.

There's a few people on this forums who don't share stuff so Idk why you getting on me about it. I've already PMed the two posters who wanted to know about what I was talking about. If it's a problem; I'll share it when I get home from work.

Be on the lookout for BILLY " RATT" SHAW He calls himselt ciro from mob king Big Time Informant (c-i) took down a several people that hadnothing to do with anyone

J. Paterno was in the Forrest hills section of Newark, and rarely if ever left that area except to go into nyc or Florida. His go to guy was frank “the bear” basto who kept order. There’s a lot more but too much to write here. M. Taccetta was not on paterno’s radar to speak of. His entire family is connected to the lucheses one way or another. Including a government witness which most like to ignore. Ricciardi

Joe Paterno was connected to the mafia. Is that what you're saying?

As much as some Italians want to say “ I am Italian and i hate the mob” there are / were tons of families connected in many many different ways some blood some in-laws some there parents grew up in Italy together and those bonds run deep ,so lots of people were connected legitimate and never broke a law ,some asked a favor along the way .... and no it wasn’t like The Godfather when you had to pay everything back .... something’s are what they are .

Paterno didnt grow up in the forest hill section of newark. He moved there later in life.

Who said joe paterno grew up there?

On America's most wanted, when Casso was on the lam, they said Accetturo was the guy he was most worried about...I still have that old VHS tape of that episode...Too bad they don't have it on line !!