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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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If some 24 year old shoots the boss of a family because he's jealous over a girl or something, I think it's a sign of the times that organized crime had its run. Too many young people today don't care and don't fear consequences. In order for there to be organized crime, there has to be an organized society. Since society is chaotic, all that can exist is chaotic crime. yeah oak i agree 100% if it's not mob related then i think you are 100% right if it's true then it's a sad times for the lcn
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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If some 24 year old shoots the boss of a family because he's jealous over a girl or something, I think it's a sign of the times that organized crime had its run. Too many young people today don't care and don't fear consequences. In order for there to be organized crime, there has to be an organized society. Since society is chaotic, all that can exist is chaotic crime. So true.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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If some 24 year old shoots the boss of a family because he's jealous over a girl or something, I think it's a sign of the times that organized crime had its run. Too many young people today don't care and don't fear consequences. In order for there to be organized crime, there has to be an organized society. Since society is chaotic, all that can exist is chaotic crime. Same thing could have happened back in the day , some complete nutcase who doesnt care for consequences , goes and shoots Carlo Gambino , everyone can be killed by anyone , you just need to be nutcase enough. They are still strongest and largest organized crime group in USA and only group that ever challenged them was Rudaj Organization , and Luccheses were getting ready to whack them all.
"A fish with his mouth closed never get's caught"
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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I'm looking forward to the funeral. Maybe we will get good pictures.
That Persico funeral too, I’d imagine all 5 families were represented there
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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If some 24 year old shoots the boss of a family because he's jealous over a girl or something, I think it's a sign of the times that organized crime had its run. Too many young people today don't care and don't fear consequences. In order for there to be organized crime, there has to be an organized society. Since society is chaotic, all that can exist is chaotic crime. Same thing could have happened back in the day , some complete nutcase who doesnt care for consequences , goes and shoots Carlo Gambino , everyone can be killed by anyone , you just need to be nutcase enough. They are still strongest and largest organized crime group in USA and only group that ever challenged them was Rudaj Organization , and Luccheses were getting ready to whack them all. Yea; Strax. I get what your saying; but if a 24 year nut did that to a boss 40-50 years ago. They would most likely be found and murdered abruptly. Before LE even could get to the guy. These days; The nut would probably avoid mob justice. Sign that LCN is waning..
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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If some 24 year old shoots the boss of a family because he's jealous over a girl or something, I think it's a sign of the times that organized crime had its run. Too many young people today don't care and don't fear consequences. In order for there to be organized crime, there has to be an organized society. Since society is chaotic, all that can exist is chaotic crime. Same thing could have happened back in the day , some complete nutcase who doesnt care for consequences , goes and shoots Carlo Gambino , everyone can be killed by anyone , you just need to be nutcase enough. They are still strongest and largest organized crime group in USA and only group that ever challenged them was Rudaj Organization , and Luccheses were getting ready to whack them all. Gambino leader Arnold Squitieri had had enough and wanted a talk with these rogue mobsters. The "sit down" took place at a gas station in a rest area near the New Jersey turnpike. Twenty armed Gambino mobsters accompanied Squitieri. Alex Rudaj on the other hand had only managed to bring six members of his crew. According to undercover FBI agent Joaquin Garcia, who infiltrated the Gambino crime family during this period, Squitieri told Rudaj that the fun was over and that they should stop expanding their operations. The Albanians and Gambinos then pulled out their weapons. Knowing they were outnumbered, the Albanians threatened to blow up the gas station with all of them in it. This ended the discussion, and both groups pulled back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudaj_OrganizationSeems they backed down fairly quickly once shit got real. Carlo Gambino's nephew was kidnapped and killed, even after a ransom was paid. James McBratney was just one of the people involved in the kidnapping. He was ordered to be slowly tortured but Gotti and his ragtag crew botched it and rushed the killing. AFAIK none of the other kidnappers were ever killed in retribution. Paul Castellano did however get revenge on someone who said he looked like chicken magnate, Frank Perdue. So that's something. I've also read about mobsters been slapped around by guys in other ethnic gangs but not doing anything about it. There's one guy slips my mind, must be Lucchese related, because it was in an article I read about Thomas De Fede.
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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I skipped the last two pages so I don't lose this thought (yea I'm getting old), but why would Cali shake the hand of the dude whom he told to stay away from his daughter? If he told him to stay away he obviously didn't respect him for some/any reason, and to top it off WHY would he just walk outside and shake his hand after the "same guy" just hit his Escalade??? This theory doesn't make much sense. The guy from Jersey that's screwing my daughter shows up saying he hit my Escalade and there is no way I'm walking outside and shaking his hand.
Something doesn't make sense. This theory would really make Cali naive! He doesn't have a daughter. He only has sons. Good to see that the mob is progressive when it comes to the LGBT movement.
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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Frank Lastorino's son, who wasn't in the life, attempted to kill Peter Argentina, who's affiliated with the Lucchese Crime Family; he was later shot and killed via suicide by cop. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...illed-police-East-New-York-Brooklyn.htmlAnyone know if that guy is related to Ray Argentina?
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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If some 24 year old shoots the boss of a family because he's jealous over a girl or something, I think it's a sign of the times that organized crime had its run. Too many young people today don't care and don't fear consequences. In order for there to be organized crime, there has to be an organized society. Since society is chaotic, all that can exist is chaotic crime. Same thing could have happened back in the day , some complete nutcase who doesnt care for consequences , goes and shoots Carlo Gambino , everyone can be killed by anyone , you just need to be nutcase enough. They are still strongest and largest organized crime group in USA and only group that ever challenged them was Rudaj Organization , and Luccheses were getting ready to whack them all. Yea; Strax. I get what your saying; but if a 24 year nut did that to a boss 40-50 years ago. They would most likely be found and murdered abruptly. Before LE even could get to the guy. These days; The nut would probably avoid mob justice. Sign that LCN is waning.. I see it more as a sign that organized crime in a "First World" environment in general will never have the same reach it had back in the days. LE clings like a leech to OC. To be able to survive LCN has to stay out of the limelight as much as possible just because the whole structure is build to be a "stable" organization compared to most other types of "organized" crime. I mean, I get that a lot of gangs in NYC - African American, Dominican, Puerto Rican...etc... - are labeled as "organized crime" these days and I do agree to an extent. Gangs have been getting smarter and can make loads of money. On the other hand you see that in those kind of groups the people at the top often don't stay at the top for a very long time. They live the high life for a good couple of years before they get killed or get locked up. And once they're locked up they often lose all of the power they used to have. Someone else has taken over in the blink of an eye and the cycle continues. That's not the case with the Mafia where the people at the top stay at the top for a comparatively much longer period. If they would operate with the same kind of bravado like gangs do or even like they themselves did in the past, they'd barely survive another generation. Especially since their recruitment pool is much smaller. There still is a recruitment pool of course, but the well isn't flowing to the point that they can afford to replace a big shot and his entire crew as quick as teenage girl changes her wardrobe.
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Re: Frank Cali Shot
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some complete nutcase who doesnt care for consequences , goes and shoots Carlo Gambino , Except that never happened. I'll spot you Joe Colombo, but we now know a lot of his 'friends" wanted him dead, too. All these decades later we still don't entirely know what the motive of that shooter was. Carlo? Tommy Brown? Tony Ducks? No one went near them, nut job or otherwise. Costello and Castellano were mob related. They are still strongest and largest organized crime group in USA and only group that ever challenged them was Rudaj Organization , I'm not sure this is entirely true. With the drug trade, immigrants coming from other parts of the world with their own crime organizations, I think we're in a time of transition not only for this country but for what we call organized crime as well. The two go hand in hand.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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