Interview to a Baby Camorrista
http://liberatorio.altervista.org/intervista-delle-iene-a-un-baby-camorrista-di-scampia/The Camorra baby soldiers became famous thanks to Roberto Saviano in his book Gomorra. These are children between the ages of twelve and thirteen who are recruited by the clans, to perform various criminal activities such as drug dealing, extortion and murder.
The Camorra aims more and more on these guys, because they are ambitious and unscrupulous and, if arrested, compared to adults, have much milder sentences. The Iene Show and one of his envoys Filippo Roma interviewed, in an episode a few weeks ago, a presumed baby affiliate. In the chat the boy tells how he spends his life between snatch and intimidation in the Scampìa district of Naples. His job is to obey the "family" that gives him, according to him, money and respect.
At 15 y,are you a Camorrista?
I, yes, I am a Camorrista.
Where are you from?
I'm from Scampia.
How old are you?
I am 15 years old.
Are you going to school?
No.
Until what class did you arrive?
Third year of middle school.
What was your favorite subject?
I liked English as a subject because the teacher was beautiful.
Now what is your job?
Now I'm an affiliate. I'm with some people who give me money and respect.
Who are these people who commands you?
Some people. The families.
How old were you when you started?
I am 15 years old, but I started having already 7-8 years.
How you was recruited?
When I was stealing a scooter, came close some men more old than me , people of the system and they told me that I was good, smart. And they told me that I was good to do other things, to make more money.
What is the first job they asked you to do?
Stealing in a supermarket to see if I could use a gun, if I was good to run away and caught me and did not sing.
And how did it go?
Were two on the scooter, I and another went down, went next to the cashier, I took her by the hair, they resisted, they did not give anything. To scare them we shouted: "we shoot you, we shoot you". We aimed the gun in his face and they gave us everything had to give.
How did you feel after your first robbery?
At first a bit 'of anxiety on him, the fear that we had been seen by the cameras. Then I said: "we are under the sky,fuck it all".
The money of the robbery what happened to it?
We brought them to the families, but they gave them back to us, saying: "we do not want them, we have to do big things". They want to test us.
And then what happened?
And from there I started. They make me look for money here and there. I'm going to make the pole, sell the cocaine, do the shootings, a lot of things.
Now how much do you earn?
Earnings from seven to seven thousand euros per week. But it is not always fixed.
What are you doing with all this money?
I have fun with the females,friends, discos, luxurt clothes, scooters, cars.
why do you drive?
Yes I drive, without a license, without anything.
Are not you afraid that you stop the police?
this doesn't matter to me, so I make another service to the families and I take again the car
Do you have a gun?
The gun? Yes I keep it ..
Can you show it?
The gun .. (shows it)
How do you shoot when you shoot?
The point in the face like this (stretch the arm, fold the gun horizontally) when I have to shoot the opponent.Or the point in the sky (raise your arm) to scare him, and I shoot 3-4 shots in the sky.I have already shoot: I have warned several who don't want to pay; I shot at the machines, at the windows, in several parts .. The gun sometimes serves.
Have you ever killed someone?
It is better that I don't answer this question. I don't want to answer.
Before you told us that you shoot in the windows, what does that mean?
Nothing, that I enters in a store, they know for whom I work and who you are, they immediately understand ...You tell him: "you have to pay". Those say: "I don't have it, come back tomorrow, come here". And we go to the families, we explain the facts as they are, the families tell us what we have to do and we do it. I have personally shot in the windows.
For retailers who pay protection money what the families give in return?
They don't have to worry, no robberies are made, no one can touch it.
Do you think it's fair to ask for protection money to those who work honestly?
if we start thinking about too much things, we don't go on. People takes decisions: there are two roads in the life. There are those who choose the goods and those who are bads.
And you which road you have chosen?
For the moment I chose the bad one, because there are few work here.
What happens if an affiliate disobeys the family?
Most of those who make mistakes pay.
How they pay?
They get out of the way, most of them do this ..
I mean, is he killed?
Yes, they kill him immediatly.
Do you know someone who was killed for betraying the clan?
Yes, a friend of mine with whom I did the robber a long time ago together .. The families told him to bring some stuff to a certain friend, he didn't bring him anything, he kept all the money for him, the families understant that nothing came to and ordered one of the family to kill him and immediately whacked him.
How much did you know what you thought?
It is better that we are always on our steps.
Before are you rich or poor?
I've always been poor.
Do you have a family?
I have, however, my father is in prison, gave him 28 years; Mom is like I did not have it.
Why your mom where is she?
Mom makes the scams, does this stuff like this.
Do you have any brothers?
All of them together with my father are also in prison. Criminal association.
Does your family know what you're doing?
they e knows that I do this, but now that are we rest to do.
Have you ever thought about finding an honest job?
I tried a long time ago to work but .. 10 euros a day are few: if I steal a car I earn 3-4 thousand euros, in twenty minutes, half an hour.
Would you like to become a boss?
Yes I like being a boss. You earn a lot of money .. Respect.
Is there anything you envy your boss?
That he commands me and I can't command him, that what I envy him.
What is the system?
The system is like a pyramid. It's all a family.Litle litle the families are growing, but only one is the boss.
Have you ever been arrested?
Never.
And are not you afraid that sooner or later you stop?
You know that if you make this choice you don't have to put fear afterwards. Because it's hard to go back.
What will be your end?
For the work I do, or we get shot by the opposing clans or go to jail. We go, we go out .. But though I try to keep on going.
Have you ever thought about quitting?
Once for a female. But then I thought better, you can't live without money.
Do you have a girlfriend?
He left me because the family didn't want that her stay with me .. Because then she also asked me certain questions.
"But you do not work?
Do not you go to school?
What are you doing?
You have all this money in your pocket, scooter, car.
But where do you get this money, what are you doing? "
And you to conquer what you gave her?
A 1200 euro Fendi jacket.
Now you still love her?
Yes, I'm too in love with her.
Have you ever been with a prostitute?
Yes,I was with a prostitute. I also did a robbery when I was with her, I hit her ang go away.
Are you on drugs?
No, sometimes smoke weeds with my friends.
And cocaine?
No, no.
Do you watch television?
Yes, but not always.
What are your favorite programs?
Sport programs. I'm very interested in football.Watch occasionally the cartoons. I really like Lupin.
Why does good always win over evil in movies?
It's not true. There is all a fiction there. We always win over the final.
What is your favorite sport?
Football.
What your favorite football team?
Naples.
Are you good at playing soccer?
I don't want to compliment myself, but I'm very good.
What music do you listen to?
A little Neapolitan music. Tiziano Ferro, Laura Pausini. I am a boy full of feelings.
Since when you work for the clans, what is the thing you saw and most upset you?
One thing that shocked me, I saw that a friend of mine shot more than three-four shots in the legs of one who did'not want to pay. He was suffering, he was crying and he kept shooting. This is something that has remained impressed on me.
In the end this person died?
No, she is alive and has continued to pay,he had to pay.
Now I tell you the somenames, you answer me good or bad. Roberto Saviano.
Bad.
Why?
Because he made the book and made the film.
Totò Riina.
Totò Riina is good.
Why?
Because he is a Camorrista who has been able to do. He started from scratch and built all things.
Paolo Borsellino.
Bad because he was a magistrate who condemned people.
Francesco Schiavone known as Sandokan.
It's good
Why?
He knew how to do it. But until recently .. he too fell.
Why did you agree to do this interview?
What I do isn't right. And I want that people don't make my same mistakes.
What do you miss that you can not have?
So many things I do not have. The love of a father who is now in prison. Among clothes, motorcycles,I have the fun .. what doesn't had it's a bit of happiness.
