I agree, but the hit on the son of Diego Serrano and the girlfriend?

He's full of shit. Outed as a liar long time ago.

May be unrelated. These guys are hired hoodlums who probably do hits for anyone who pays the right amount of money.

The Twitter user knew of Peter Edwards' article about Iavarone's murder in which Edwards wrote about two organized-crime groups in conflict with each other. At this morning's press conference about the Musitano and Barberi murders, Sgt. Peter Thom spoke of two such groups without identifying them (was he talking about the same groups that Edwards wrote about?). The Twitter user doesn't advertise himself as any type of expert--neither do you nor I--so he has an opinion that is just as valid as mine or yours, which is that Violi's sons--regardless of whatever made status or associate status or family affiliation they have--were present at a Bonanno induction ceremony. What the fuck were they doing there? Are they Bonannos? Was the ceremony a joint Buffalo–Bonanno ceremony? If Violi's sons are 'ndrangheta members, did they once belong to a clan headed by their paternal grandfather in Parma, Ohio?

We don't have any evidence that the Luppino-Violi group consists of made members of the Buffalo Family--if they are, would that pad the total number of Buffalo Family members by two? by 15? Why do most posters on this organized-crime forum assume that the Luppinos and Violi's sons have historically been 'ndrangheta members? We don't have any evidence of their making ceremonies in an American LCN family, so we assume that the Luppino-Violi group is an 'ndrangheta group--I'm kind of okay with that because that's what I've believed forever but I would feel even better knowing that this could be confirmed or disconfirmed. And the presence of Violi's sons at the Bonanno ceremony possibly casts doubt on what crime group they have been made into.

Why should the Luppino-Violi group take it upon itself to avenge Papalia's murder 20 years later? Wouldn't Papalia's relatives have taken care of that? Papalia got along with Giacomo Luppino, but the history of the Hamilton underworld is littered with conflict between the three main groups (Luppino, Musitano, and Papalia). Hell, Papalia and the Musitanos both have ancestry from Delianuova in Calabria, and Pat and Angelo were behind the plot to murder Papalia, who incidentally was Pat's baptismal godfather.

Edwards's article about Iavarone's murder is interesting because the story mentioned that people behind Angelo Musitano's murder weren't made, thus making them vulnerable to attack by the opposing group that consists of made members. If the article is correct, then we can rule out the Musitano group and Luppino-Violi group being on the outs. If it's not correct, I would stick to what I believe, which is that the Musitano group and the Luppino-Violi group are still on good terms after many years (this was definitely not the case in the 1990s).

Peter Edwards's latest article:

Hamilton man arrested in 2 mob-related slayings

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...o-murder-police-hunt-for-two-others.html

Thanks anti.

Diego Serrano the father was also close to the killed Carmine Verducci.

Maybe Buffalo is just a Crime Syndicate like Sergi’s article suggested....

Another article by Nicole O'Reilly of the Hamilton Spectator. A good timeline accompanies her story.

Hamilton man arrested in mobster Musitano murder, police hunt for two others

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...sitano-murder-police-hunt-for-two-others

Siderno group?

Adrian Humphreys has updated his article from earlier today:

Ontario police make arrest in high-profile gangland murders linked to Mafia 'power struggle'

http://nationalpost.com/wcm/e812bfb6-1470-47c3-8251-10480de2ae44

The Canadian gangsters stll love Mexico, Moreno Gallo was killed in Acapulco.

Another way of looking at what is going on in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area (GTHA) is that the murders, attempted murders, firebombings, arson, etc. have nothing to do with Quebec OC or Buffalo OC.

Two of James Dubro's Facebook posts from today are reproduced below. Knowing you, you may end up crying in your stamppot by the time you're done.

https://www.facebook.com/jamesabookguy/posts/10156537356735330

Same hit man team for Angelo Musitano killing and second but botched mob hit in Woodbridge last year. Possibly also part of hit team for last week’s Ancaster related prof hit of Albert Iavarone who knew two of the hit team. This is a big story of a major very deadly Calabrian mob Cell fight for coke territory and power in GTA/southern Ontario. Many ndrangheta cells in GTA and Italy involved in violent fight Now from Musitanos to Verducci to Ursino to other Calabrian Mafia cells here close to Italy including Vaughan/Mexico/ Italy Coke king Diego Serrano’s associate’s here and in the USA Italy and Mexico. And if course there was the recent double murder of Calabrian mob boss Cosimo Commisso’s cousin with his girlfriend in Toronto . Much more to come of this story which is far from finished

https://www.facebook.com/jamesabookguy/posts/10156537990985330

Major deadly GTA Calabrian Mafia war is now on as further indicated by cop arrest today of 1 of 3 of from one GTA mob hit team involved . Cops link last wks Iavrone murder in Hamilton with mafioso Musitano’s murder on Waterdown & Barberi(well connected Vaughan mobster Diego Serrano’s son was real target hit) killing in Vaughan last year there was also the recent double murder of longtime Calabrian mob Cosimo Commisso’s cousin with his girlfriend. This is a very big development involving at least 3/4 Ndrangheta cells in GTA (ties to Italy USA Mexico) vying for coke routes & more GTA Calabrian mob power. Old time Calabrian Cell leaders against newer Ndrangheta cells bosses with even better connections in their native Italy.

Stampot lol. There is also the link between the Ursinos and the Gambinos.

Dark Danny was already dead around Feb. 3.

https://www.caledonenterprise.com/n...ter-daniele-ranieri-confirmed-dead-rcmp/

People were saying he was dead since December, so who knows what's even true.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...nd-in-mexico-canadian-official-says.html

I just read through all the posts

I.am confused seems like more questions than answers

??? So the latest is:

1) Arrested and 2) At Large

The person or people are Rizzuto members?

So thats weird that the violis went to the bonanno guys induction but it wasnt not burning saint card prick your finger gun on table shit. I think it was a lunch at a restaurant probaly over discussion of drug deals. Think joe bonanno said in his book bosses from other familys were at his sons induction ceromony in 1955 or whenever. I never heard any other won. Ray patriarca made all the scibelli brothers and a handfull of other guys in 1956 in worcester and imediatly transderd them to the genovese family . Its in a fbi report that was weird but he was doing it as a favor to genovese. Basically he was the sit in boss

The other italian guy Tomassetti is probably also dead.

The fugitves joined Ranieri in Mexico and he took over Rizzuto’s GTA operations in 2013.

Daniel Ranieri is a Rizzuto henchmen that looked after his interests in the GTA killed in Mexico.

His two predecessors Juan Ramon Fernandez & associate Fernando Pimentel were both killed in Sicily and Gaetano Panepinto killed by Calabrians in Toronto.

It is not a job I would like to have......LOL

https://torontosun.com/news/crime/mcmafia-gta-gangland-murders-linked-to-mob-world-war

McMAFIA: GTA gangland murders linked to mob world war

"Cops believe Ranieri’s demise can be traced to a bloody gang war unfolding in southern Ontario between Calabrese crime clans."

“It’s definitely a Calabrian/’Ndrangheta Mafia War,” well-known mob observer James Dubro told The Toronto Sun. “It’s three or four cells competing for cocaine routes and power in the GTA.

I think looking at Hamilton/Buffalo, etc. through the lens of American LCN groups is incorrect. It's clear what's going on is involving groups that are structured differently than traditional, LCN groups who have a hierarchy structured like a pyramid. These may not be groups operating in a specific territory like the American LCN. I believe these are groups are more like drug trafficking networks and cut across both territories and mafia allegiances.

So, if there is mafia activity in Buffalo in 2018, to look at Buffalo as structured like a traditional LCN family may be wrong. We don't know if mobsters there include a mix of Todaro, Ndrangheta from Calabria, and Calabrians from Hamilton's families like Violis. Or the made guys flying the Todaro flag may be Canadians aligned with the Violis who were made in Buffalo. When they say "Hamilton answers to Buffalo", we don't really know the full extent of what that means yet: Who in Buffalo? Hamilton gangsters under the Todaro/Buffalo flag or Italian-American made guys in Buffalo?

Same thing with Hamilton: Hamilton seems to have 2 or 3 groups fighting for power right now, but there could also be Bonannos and Gambinos in the area (associates or members) working with some of the groups there.

With busts in New York lately we've seen connections of the Ndrangheta working with the Gambinos, so it's likely there's a decent amount of collaboration for drug trafficking. Which is why we've had reports of Bonannos doing making ceremonies in Canada. When drugs are involved, it's not really about controlling a territory so much as about making connections in several different places and groups in order to facilitate the drug shipments. Cabrini has discussed this several times before, especially when discussing the Partinico faction in Detroit from back in the day (also known as the lower Sicilian group). Similar to how the Cherry Hill Gambinos crew had made guys in both the US Gambino Family and in the families in Sicily.

What were seeing is a continuation of the huge power shift away from the Sicilian Mafia and toward the Ndrangheta. Now with the Rizzuto's weakened (but not completely defeated) in Montreal, their allies in Hamilton.. the Musitanos... are under attack. Even though the Musitanos are Calabrian with connections back to the old country, there's obviously other Ndrangheta groups trying to take control of Toronto and Hamilton seems to be a proxy for the war in Toronto.

From that article that was just posted:

This would definitely make sense of what Anna Sergi wrote when she suggested The Todaro "Syndicate" used to be aligned with LCN.

it seems that who ordered the musitano hit are people connected to the rizzuto's, ndrangheta doens't seem to be involved

WOW
This is tangled

Very confusing

Honestly the American LCN seems way more functional here

This is why Luciano did what he did

Everybody is just killing everybody here

You can't even keep track

that isnt organized crime. crazy cartel cocaine cowboy shit. atleast all the fake rules in the american lcn (no drug dealing) is what has kinda kept them afloat over the last 50yrs. rizzuto should have stayed away from drugs it killed his whole family son dad cousins ect.

It's not so simple. You may be right but you are just going with your first instincts.

If you look at the cases of some of the well-known murders of Canadian mafiosi over many decades--regardless of whether they were made into the American La Cosa Nostra, 'ndrangheta, or Sicilian Cosa Nostra--you would be surprised at who were people of interest but never charged. You would be surprised at who were not people of interest but who were communicating with other mafiosi before and after the murders.

Ranieri was only a person of interest in the plots to murder Musitano and Saverio Serrano. Law enforcement knows that the hit-team members used in the Musitano murder were ordered by a higher-up in a criminal organization that is part of traditional organized crime (i.e., Italian mafia). For your theory to be correct, the person who ordered Angelo Musitano's murder was a made member in the Montreal Mafia or part of a group tied to the Montreal Mafia--don't forget that Angelo was very likely made (although we don't have any concrete evidence). Peter Edwards's article about Iavarone's murder indicates that of two groups in conflict with each other--a reason given for Iavarone's murder--one group consisted of people who were not made.

Ranieri, who supposedly took over Juan Ramon Fernandez's job in Ontario at some point after Fernandez was killed in 2012, was not made. Fernandez claimed in Sicily that he was made by Vito Rizzuto, but this has never been substantiated and likely never will be. (In Joe Di Maulo's daughter's book that was published in January of this year, she writes of Fernandez's claim and confidently dismisses it--she knows you have to be Italian to be inducted into the mafia.) Fernandez's predecessor in Ontario, Gaetano Panepinto, was not made (there was just a rumour he was, but it was never substantiated).

One theory about the murder of Albert Iavarone was that the killing was revenge for the murder of Angelo Musitano. I think Iavarone belonged to a group that consisted of criminal associates who were not made--but even if this opinion is right, who knows whether this group in turn is tied to an actual mafia group whose leader ordered Musitano's murder?

There have been many theories as to why Musitano was killed, not just the few that are reported in newspaper articles. Here's the list I've been compiling since his murder (in no order of which theory I favour):

1. Revenge for plotting the murders of John Papalia and Carm Barillaro (mobwatchers neglect to mention the latter's death).

2. A newer 'ndrangheta cell from Italy that, at some point before Angelo Musitano's murder last year, seems to have established itself in Hamilton in order to possibly wrest drug territory from the Musitano crime group. (James Dubro's theory)

3. Mostly Calabrian organized-crime groups, including the Siderno Group, violently fighting over profits and territory in the medical-marijuana industry in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) or the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area (GTHA). The 'ndrine in the Siderno Group could be fighting with one another--Carmine Verduci's murder might be an example of this.

4. The same type of jockeying for control of cocaine trafficking--in particular as a result of the aforementioned 'ndrangheta cell from Italy that could be encroaching on the Musitanos' territory.

5. A pre-emptive strike by hitman Ken Murdock, hired by the Musitanos to kill both Papalia and Barillaro and successful in his attempts, who might have been worried after his release about retribution by the Musitano brothers.

6. A joint effort by the Wolf Pack and Rizzuto loyalists in Montreal to push their way into the Niagara Region, having already possibly made an incursion into the GTA.

7. An all-out war, over a number of rackets in southwestern Ontario, involving 'mostly ndrangheta groups and/or Calabrian-Canadian crime groups, with the 'ndrangheta internal war in the GTA somehow spilling over into the Hamilton area.

8. Rivalry between the Musitano crime group and the Luppino-Violi group, which might have intensified after Domenico and Giuseppe Violi were sentenced and imprisoned.

9. A kill-or-be-killed scenario in which the Iavarone group decided it had to kill Angelo Musitano because a member of the group owed Angelo a large gambling debt and was being squeezed by Angelo for a stake in the group's gambling activities. (A still very credible theory as to why Pat and Angelo Musitano arranged to have Papalia killed is the large gambling debt Pat owed Johnny.)

Great summary...

Edwards article said: "Prior to his death, Musitano was owed money from a man involved in gambling who worked for New York State mobsters, a source said." Assuming NYS mobsters is another term for Buffalo Mob in this article---like it seems to me---Did Iavarone's group work for Buffalo mob which was running this gambling ring?

Let's quote more extensively from Edwards's article:

Some of Iavarone’s underworld ties were south of the border, sources said.

“The recently deceased had ties to New York,” a former police investigator said.

“Buffalo factions of Traditional Organized Crime are not ‘in’ Canada per se, but historically have controlled aspects of Canadian ‘family business’ and do get kickbacks from profits from illicit activity,” Manning said.

Prior to his death, Musitano was owed money from a man involved in gambling who worked for New York State mobsters, a source said.

When he demanded payment or a piece of the gambling operation, he was murdered by a crew of Niagara Region men connected to the gambler, the sources said.

None of the men involved in the Angelo Musitano murder were actual mob members, leaving them vulnerable to retaliation, the source said.

They have already been cut astray by the New York mob, a police source said.

“They have no backing,” the source said.
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Did Iavarone have ties to numerous criminals in the US? only to the Italian underworld in the US? only to the Buffalo underworld? only to a New York City mafia family?

Was the former police investigator being precise when he said Iavarone "had ties to New York"? Or was the source being careful not to mention Buffalo by generally saying "New York" so as to refer to the whole state?

Is Albert Iavarone the gambler who worked for New York State mobsters? Was he related to the gambler? Were the two of them part of the same crime group?

We now know the names of three individuals charged in the murder of Angelo Musitano. Were these three the ones who were cut astray by the New York mob? by mobsters in Buffalo? Were these three individuals in the same crime group as Iavarone? Did Iavarone lose backing by the New York mob? by mobsters in Buffalo?