The problem with a lot of the accusations levelled against Trump working with the mob is that they are typically made by people with a certain political ideology, they typically appear on websites with a liberal bent, and they typically accept as fact accusations made by questionable sources.

It's tit-for-tat, really. Every time I draw parallels to the Clinton's lying down with dogs and getting fleas, and provide sources positing such, you completely skirt over it.

A lot of people who vote for Trump are well aware of his history, but they're equally aware of the Clintons histories, and they are sick of being patronized by a biased media who have been proven to pursue baseless stories about Trump while completely glossing over the corruption surrounding the Clintons.

It's the same as Bush being pilloried by Rolling Stone etc. while Obama gets a free pass for doing similar shit.

Some people won't be pandered to, Oak.

Ha!

What happened to all builders working with the mob in the 80s?

Now you're saying Trump never did, and that those making the accusations just have a political agenda?

First you say Trump was just doing what everyone else was doing, now you're saying he didn't do anything.

Hilarious.

Trumps mob connections were discussed by reporters and authors since he was a Democrat. So the political angle doesn't fly.

It's well documented and common knowledge that Trump cut deals with the mob to get ahead in Manhattan's real estate business, and that these were quid pro quo deals where he benefited. He wasn't extorted like other builders. Even you know it.

I've gotta back Oaks on this one. Political ideology and biased news aside, it's well documented that Trump cut deals with the mob and committed other shady and immoral acts to get ahead. His lawyer was Roy Cohn for Christ's sake.

Both Democrats and Republicans dealt with the mob and/or other gangsters. Liberal leaning news is biased against conservatives. Conservative leaning news is biased against liberals. There are no real "good guys".

Not since the Tammany Hall days have Democrats even come close to having the mob connections that Republicans have. The comparison is almost as absurd as when people try to link the modern day Democratic Party to the Confederate states. Richard Nixon met directly with mob middle men while in office. Trump likely has too, considering his association with Roger Stone. Of course this pales in comparison to his association with Russia, anyway.

Also, the problem with the liberal/conservative media equivalency is that we don't have a left wing media, however we do have a right wing media. CNN, MSNBC, the 3 networks, most of the papers, are centrist, not left wing. Meanwhile, FoxNews and AM radio are right wing. Far right. Both are now dabbling into outright white supremacy. There is no left wing equal on network television, cable (basic or premium) or radio to what FoxNews and Rush Limbaugh are. Nothing close. This country is dominated by a hard right agenda and hard right messaging with only weak counter punches from the left. You don't end up with a Republican congress and senate and Donald Trump in the white house any other way.

That's a good point about the media. There really are only weak counter punches from the left.

What was Nixon's tie to the mob? I haven't checked out that book yet.

It's actually not fair to call them the left. They're actually centrists. Weak counter punches from centrists, is what I meant. Like running stories every day about how Trump contradicted himself, as if this is going to make any difference. Trump only made the intel remarks to distract from the upcoming SCOTUS confirmation hearing, which could result in Roe V. Wade being overturned. And, it worked. Had the centrists chasing it like a dog chases a tennis ball. Talking all tough about Russia and treason with their bird chests out. Trump just laughs at this shit. Of course it's possible the centrists back the Kavanaugh confirmation, too, and they're in on the distraction.

If would be nice if the left had the forum on tv or radio to throw their punches. They only have the internet.

Nixon's mob connections? Christ, where do we start.

While he was in office:

- Granted Jimmy Hoffa clemency, despite Hoffa being rejected 3 times by the parole board
- Pardoned Gyp DeCarlo, whose terminal illness wasn't as advanced as claimed, and went right back to the rackets when released
- Entertained Lansky associate John Alllesio at his hotel suite on the 1968 election night (technically before he was in office, but the night he won)
- Called Anthony "Tony Pro" Provenzano associate Joseph Trerotola immediately after the Watergate burglaries

Before being president he took campaign cash from Mickey Cohen.

After his presidency he routinely golfed at the mob owned La Costa country club with the likes of Tony Pro and Chicago Outfit associate Allen Dorfman.

Interesting stuff. Thanks Oaks.

Roy Cohn | The Mob Lawyer

Pelosi (maiden name D'Alesandro) and her entire family are criminals. Don't my word for it look it up. Along with the Mafia connections, investigations in Baltimore a brother who was somehow severed form a rape case all his buddies were convicted of and he was somehow severed from the case. The ONLY one. Things that make you go hmmmm

That's why Montiglio was such a bad witness and only convicted a few...

Nobody believed he gave Big Paul money hand to hand, and nobody believed he gave a congressman money hand to hand...

They have bagmen for that reason...He never even named the congressman's name as far as I know

That's what burns me up when I read these comments on YouTube..Especially with Franzese...Whatever he says they believe 100%