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Re: Europes rape Crisis
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The sad thing is I'm not making it up. Actually, the sad thing is that you are. Virtually every time I've read about a sexual assault in the last year or so, it's been a foreign national who committed it. This.....this is not proof that "almost every rape in Ireland is committed by asylum seekers". That's not how any of this works. And, what the fuck would Oak know about rape statistics in Ireland. Better yet, what would you know? The only evidence you cite to back up your claim is that you've only read stories involving asylum seekers committing rape. There's no way for you to even prove that. Even if it were true, however, it still wouldn't prove that "almost every" rape in Ireland is committed by an asylum seeker. It would only mean that these instances are the ones being reported. Of course, you're making this up anyway, so it's a moot point. The same thing has been happening for years in Sweden and England. No, it hasn't. And I thought Ireland was your area of expertise. Now you know eff all about Sweden and England, too? Anyhow, your conclusions are rants and musings of an uninformed person. You're simply making up your evidence.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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Your only source, after all... Aforementioned gang rape in Kildare (non-nationals) Two rickshaw drivers raped women in Dublin (non-nationals) Male tried to rape a woman in toilets in McDonalds in Dublin (non-national) Male followed foreign national off bus and raped her in her house (non-national) Man drugged and raped two women in his flat; this happened in the county I live in (non-national) These are examples of immigrants committing rape, not evidence that most rapes are committed by immigrants. It would be like saying that the Republican party is the only party where people get indicted. How do I know? Well, off the top of my head...there's Paul Manafort.... That's how this game works... I can't think of any rapes committed by Irish nationals thAt have been in the news here. This is only proof that such incidents aren't being reported, whether they're happening or not. It's not proof that Irish nationals don't commit rape, which is a laughably absurd statement. For such a small part of the population they sure do fucking seem to be responsible for most of the sexual assaults here. Because this is what's being reported by the most notable media outlets. The media has the power to make things "seem". But anyone could see what would happen when you look how they treat women and children in their own countries.
Fucking savages. I know. Based off "the top of your head". Certainly not any sort of scientific data which compares and contrasts how women and children are treated in any two particular countries.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
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06/15/18 03:44 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-39580591What do you derive from that data, Oak? While you're at it, look up the Rotherham child exploitation scandal, and tell us what you notice.
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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I don't know why I'm engaging with a troll, and moron, whose only purpose on this forum is to antagonize people - Should people who make blanketed statements about entire groups of people without any evidence whatsoever not be antagonized in some way? Should no one have said anything? Would the world be an easier place if nobody ever challenged your fabrications and stereotypes? The Irish media goes out of its way to not mention the nationality of these rapists, Unsubstantiated. Now you're making things up to back up other things you've made up. yet cursory research will invariably show the nationality of the rapists is African or Middle Eastern. You're just using different words to state the same unfounded conclusion. I said I can't think off the top of my head a rape involving an Irish attacker that made the news. Which proves nothing, other than that a) it's just not being reported in the news b) it is, but you have a short attention span c) it is, but you're omitting it to suit your agenda Then again, look who I'm talking to. You've been called out here in the past by several people for making sweeping generalizations about Italians. I suspect you're now doing the same with immigrants in Ireland.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
[Re: jace]
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06/15/18 05:04 PM
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Should people who make blanketed statements about entire groups of people without any evidence whatsoever not be antagonized in some way?
Should no one have said anything? Would the world be an easier place if nobody ever challenged your fabrications and stereotypes? It's my own anecdotal experience. Ireland is a small country; the size of a small American state. So the pattern quickly becomes very noticeable when, as I said, I click on news stories relating to sexual crimes and the attacker is invariably an asylum seeker/immigrant. That's not the same as saying all asylum seekers/immigrants are rapists. It's not my fault you can't comprehend simple English. Unsubstantiated. Now you're making things up to back up other things you've made up.
Do some research of your own instead of blithely dismissing my own. The details pertaining to nationality of the attackers are almost always buried. There was one Nigerian-born footballer, Ismahil Akinade, currently playing professional football in the country who was involved in a gang attack on a girl several years ago and the facts about his participation in the crime, and the nationality of the attackers, was buried in the almost non-existent coverage of the attack. His participation in the rape would've gone under the radar were it not for the due diligence of concerned citizens. Which proves nothing, other than that
a) it's just not being reported in the news b) it is, but you have a short attention span c) it is, but you're omitting it to suit your agenda I've already explained it's my own anecdotal evidence. Foreign nationals certainly don't have a monopoly on crime in Ireland, but when it comes to sex related crimes, it's close. You've been called out here in the past by several people for making sweeping generalizations about Italians. I suspect you're now doing the same with immigrants in Ireland.
Proof? Whenever someone posts a link without quoting anything from it, you know it's BS.
Sure enough, this is a link to a story about one case. It doesn't prove in any way that most rapes in Ireland are committed by immigrants. You're simply making it up. Refusing to engage with the facts, eh? I showed you a link to one well-publicized child exploitation scandal involving the ethnic community, but you have nothing to say about the relevant facts and figures. Here's another one you refuse to engage with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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I click on news stories relating to sexual crimes and the attacker is invariably an asylum seeker/immigrant. This. Proves. Absolutely. Nothing. Do some research of your own instead of blithely dismissing my own. You don't have any research to dismiss. You made something up, and you're just doubling down on it. The details pertaining to nationality of the attackers are almost always buried. There was one Nigerian-born footballer, Ismahil Akinade, currently playing professional football in the country who was involved in a gang attack on a girl several years ago and the facts about his participation in the crime, and the nationality of the attackers, was buried in the almost non-existent coverage of the attack. His participation in the rape would've gone under the radar were it not for the due diligence of concerned citizens. Proves nothing. Foreign nationals certainly don't have a monopoly on crime in Ireland, but when it comes to sex related crimes, it's close. Just a differently worded version of the same lie. Refusing to engage with the facts, eh? The facts were irrelevant. It was one case. Even if it were several cases, there was nothing in the article that compared rape convictions among immigrants to those of Irish nationals. You may as well have posted a dead link. Only you would post a link to a wikipedia page (that you probably just edited yourself) instead of simply posting the links from one of the articles' citations at the bottom of the page. And, of course, your wikipedia link describes one story, anyway. You're lying. You're simply made up your theory that nearly all rapes in Ireland are committed by immigrants.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
[Re: jace]
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06/15/18 06:04 PM
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So basically your argument boils down to, "you're lying." I don't have a theory that nearly all rapes in Ireland are committed by immigrants. Instead, I feel like I'm explaining this to a child, that, anecdotally, almost every time I read about a sexual assault in the news the culprits are non-nationals. The mugshots and names listed in the two articles I provided all describe people from ethnic backgrounds. I don't have to make anything up. The article you conveniently ignored cites the BBC for crying out loud. Here's another BBC link for the story you are accusing me of misrepresenting pertaining to Huddersfield: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39580591And here is, yet another, BBC link referring to a child exploitation ring in another medium sized British town: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092Notice a pattern yet? I await your next passive-aggressive reply. Still awaiting proof of my generalisations of Italian people BTW.
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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06/15/18 06:42 PM
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So basically your argument boils down to, "you're lying." It's all I needed. I'll save my energy for someone who actually has a strong argument. almost every time I read about a sexual assault in the news the culprits are non-nationals. Which neither proves or even demonstrates anything, other than your limited resources or attention span. The mugshots and names listed in the two articles I provided all describe people from ethnic backgrounds. I don't have to make anything up. The article you conveniently ignored cites the BBC for crying out loud. And they prove nothing. Other than immigrants were the culprits, in those cases. A pattern of you not knowing the difference between anecdotal evidence and evidence.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
[Re: jace]
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06/15/18 09:19 PM
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And I still await an explanation for Oak attributing to me comments about Italian people that I don't recall making.
Plenty of Italians here. They never cause any problems; just make an honest living. Like most blacks, and middle easterns, too. As for Italian-Americans, they helped mould America into what makes it great; so many artists who have been an enormous credit to culture and the arts.
For Gods sake, I have been the loudest critic of illegal IRISH immigrants in America or, "undocumented".
But, a lot of these asylum seekers and immigrants are not properly vetted. That's the facts. And it's reflected in the shit that's going on. And I won't pussyfoot about it.
Look at the child exploitation that's going on in India and Pakistan, in particular; rapes and abuse of children.
What rightful person wants this shit in their own backyard? A lot of these people lie about seeking asylum from some bullshit danger in their own country that doesn't exist.
It makes a mockery of people from places like Syria who do actually need, and deserve placement.
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Re: Europes rape Crisis
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06/16/18 10:55 PM
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So basically your argument boils down to, "you're lying." I don't have a theory that nearly all rapes in Ireland are committed by immigrants. Instead, I feel like I'm explaining this to a child, that, anecdotally, almost every time I read about a sexual assault in the news the culprits are non-nationals. The mugshots and names listed in the two articles I provided all describe people from ethnic backgrounds. I don't have to make anything up. The article you conveniently ignored cites the BBC for crying out loud. Here's another BBC link for the story you are accusing me of misrepresenting pertaining to Huddersfield: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39580591And here is, yet another, BBC link referring to a child exploitation ring in another medium sized British town: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092Notice a pattern yet? I await your next passive-aggressive reply. Still awaiting proof of my generalisations of Italian people BTW. If you showed him a video with the immigrants bragging that they rape, and that they do it frequently, he'd dismiss it as nothing. Sweden has. a rape crisis they never had till they took the people in, same for Austria and other nations. OakA's will demand proof, then when you show it to him he will just troll along saying it shows nothing or is a fake link.
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