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Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Aces] #941143
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And, honestly, "soldiers die to protect the flag" is a fairy tale we should probably do away with, too. Maybe they did hundreds of years ago.

Soldiers today have no clue what they're fighting for. If you follow the money trail, however, it would appear they're fighting for oil companies.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #941145
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
there is a difference between company time and an employee time.


Like Ciment, you didn't do your homework.

Courts have ruled that some constitutional rights, including parts of the first amendment, must be honored in the workplace.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: OakAsFan] #941162
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Black people are not responsible for the criminal behavior of other black people. Are you responsible for the criminal behavior of other whites?


I couldn't agree with you more! And gun owners are not responsible for the criminal behavior of other gun owners.

Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Aces] #941164
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Never said they were.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Aces] #941167
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It was implied with your suggestion of banning AR-15's/all guns

Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Aces] #941171
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No, it wasn't.


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Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: OakAsFan] #941185
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
there is a difference between company time and an employee time.


Like Ciment, you didn't do your homework.

Courts have ruled that some constitutional rights, including parts of the first amendment, must be honored in the workplace.


It is you that does not know what you are talking about and it does not surprise me. Your still spinning more fake news.

Unlike NFL, the NBA has a rule that players must stand during playing of national anthem

The NBA's longstanding rule for team conduct states that players, coaches and trainers are to stand and line up in a dignified posture along the sidelines or on the foul line during the playing of the national anthem.

Like I said before you mix apples with oranges and don't know what you are talking about.

The NFL can end this charade by just implementing a policy requiring to stand for the flag.

Until a judge rules otherwise company policies applies.


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Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: OakAsFan] #941201
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
No, it wasn't.



Yes it was

Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Aces] #941203
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Who the fuck are you to say what people can and cannot do

Nfl players kneel because of people like yourself

The police shoot unarmed men but take mass shooters alive

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Originally Posted by cookcounty
@ciment

Who the fuck are you to say what people can and cannot do

Nfl players kneel because of people like yourself

The police shoot unarmed men but take mass shooters alive



@cookcounty

You are scaring me with your tough talk. I will need a safe space.

Leftist liberals like to talk tough when hiding behind a desk like a coward.

Now you want to take my first amendment rights. Maybe you should go back to school and learn how to read and be knowledgeable because that you are not.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

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Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Aces] #941225
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A company can not set a policy that clashes with any law, especially constitutional law.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Ciment] #941226
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Originally Posted by Ciment
Originally Posted by cookcounty
@ciment

Who the fuck are you to say what people can and cannot do

Nfl players kneel because of people like yourself

The police shoot unarmed men but take mass shooters alive



@cookcounty

You are scaring me with your tough talk. I will need a safe space.

Leftist liberals like to talk tough when hiding behind a desk like a coward.

Now you want to take my first amendment rights. Maybe you should go back to school and learn how to read and be knowledgeable because that you are not.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN



You think that's tough talk? He just asked you a question.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: OakAsFan] #941229
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Originally Posted by Ciment
Originally Posted by cookcounty
@ciment

Who the fuck are you to say what people can and cannot do

Nfl players kneel because of people like yourself

The police shoot unarmed men but take mass shooters alive



@cookcounty

You are scaring me with your tough talk. I will need a safe space.

Leftist liberals like to talk tough when hiding behind a desk like a coward.

Now you want to take my first amendment rights. Maybe you should go back to school and learn how to read and be knowledgeable because that you are not.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN



You think that's tough talk? He just asked you a question.


A question usually ends with a question mark. It was more of a Cookcounty meltdown.

Make America Great Again

Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Aces] #941230
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http://www.breitbart.com/sports/201...test-outside-nfl-hq-after-kneeling-ban/?

Al Sharpton’s National Action Network Leads Protest Outside NFL HQ After Kneeling Ban.

Now that Al Sharpton is involved there will be ten more years of kneeling cry

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Still don't see the tough talk. Is it because he used the "F" word? Have you ever worked a blue collar job? Been out drinking with a group of friends?


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Pity they don't take a knee to protest unpaid child support.


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
And, honestly, "soldiers die to protect the flag" is a fairy tale we should probably do away with, too. Maybe they did hundreds of years ago.

Soldiers today have no clue what they're fighting for. If you follow the money trail, however, it would appear they're fighting for oil companies.


Something guys like Michael Moore don't seem to understand is that the very people who've had values such as respecting the flag, and respecting their country, instilled in them at a young age are the very ones to want to serve their country; they aren't coerced into doing it, it's a career path they have chosen.

And it's rich for guys like Moore, and Springsteen, and people of their ilk, to contribute to this subject because they invent psychiatric illnesses to get out of serving their country. So pipe down.

Most soldiers I've encountered are capable of free thought and are mentally strong enough to think things through and not do something under duress.

They aren't mind-controlled robots.

I've never understood, either, people who threaten to leave the country/become a Canadian citizen etc. if someone they don't like is elected President.

How fucking childish and petty can you get?

Look at liberal media personalities, the way they portray "hicks" from the heartland of America, the very people who tend to join armed forces, and it's clear to see there is a huge disconnect there. Which makes it all the more hypocritical when they act like their empty vessels who don't know what they're fighting for; undermining everything they represent and hold dear.

If you don't like America, piss off to Nigeria or Romania or somewhere.

It's a great country. With a lot of dickheads. But there are dickheads everywhere.


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: Moe_Tilden] #941243
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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Pity they don't take a knee to protest unpaid child support.


Why should they? Why is someone else's unpaid child support a NFL player's responsibility?


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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Something guys like Michael Moore don't seem to understand is that the very people who've had values such as respecting the flag, and respecting their country, instilled in them at a young age are the very ones to want to serve their country; they aren't coerced into doing it, it's a career path they have chosen.


What a fairy tale.

Since you bring up Michael Moore, watch the part of Fahrenheit 9/11 where military recruiters at a mall in a predominantly black area admit to targeting young black men for enlistment, since statistically they are the poorest demographic, and are most likely to be lured by the military's financial benefits.

This was one of many desperate recruitment tactics by Donald Rumsfeld's military. The enlistment numbers were embarrassing for a time of war, following the biggest attack on American soil in history. For all of the post 9/11, fever-pitched displays of patriotism, nobody wanted to actually go and fight in the war. Americans wanted a war, but didn't want themselves or their children to die in it.

On Rumsfeld's watch, the military was so desperate to bring up enlistment numbers they also laxed standards such as rules forbidding convicted felons from enlisting. Reports of gang activity on military bases began to surface. Gang activity...on military bases. Let it sink in.

I think FUBAR is the term we're looking for.

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And it's rich for guys like Moore, and Springsteen, and people of their ilk, to contribute to this subject because they invent psychiatric illnesses to get out of serving their country. So pipe down.


You want to talk about rich people using deferments to get out of war?

What was your buddy Donald Trump doing during the Vietnam war?

How about Dick Cheney? How many deferments did he have?

George W. Bush had his daddy get him a cozy assignment that never required him to leave the country.


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Originally Posted by Ciment
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/201...test-outside-nfl-hq-after-kneeling-ban/?

Al Sharpton’s National Action Network Leads Protest Outside NFL HQ After Kneeling Ban.

Now that Al Sharpton is involved there will be ten more years of kneeling cry

That Sharpton fuck still alive? Someone should put a ticket on his fuckin' head.


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http://www.breitbart.com/sports/201...test-outside-nfl-hq-after-kneeling-ban/?

Al Sharpton’s National Action Network Leads Protest Outside NFL HQ After Kneeling Ban.

Now that Al Sharpton is involved there will be ten more years of kneeling cry

That Sharpton fuck still alive? Someone should put a ticket on his fuckin' head.



He has been really quiet since our NY President took over....wonder why?

Maybe since he owes him?
Yes.

Get that Money


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Originally Posted by Ciment
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/201...test-outside-nfl-hq-after-kneeling-ban/?

Al Sharpton’s National Action Network Leads Protest Outside NFL HQ After Kneeling Ban.

Now that Al Sharpton is involved there will be ten more years of kneeling cry

That Sharpton fuck still alive? Someone should put a ticket on his fuckin' head.



He has been really quiet since our NY President took over....wonder why?

Maybe since he owes him?
Yes.

Get that Money

He's the 1 who basically started the riots in '93...fuckin' jitbag


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Al Sharpton figured he can make some money by extorting the NFL, he couldn't careless about anything but himself.

Re: NFL will fine teams who kneel during anthem [Re: OakAsFan] #941267
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Still don't see the tough talk. Is it because he used the "F" word? Have you ever worked a blue collar job? Been out drinking with a group of friends?


Somehow I can't picture you and your friend associating with blue collar workers & drinking beer. I see you more like a Starbucks cafe latte type of guy still living with your mother.
The blue collar workers that I know all love Trump. They are the ones that put him into power.


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Says the guy who's shaken up by someone using the F word. Tough talk. lol. Good grief.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Says the guy who's shaken up by someone using the F word. Tough talk. lol. Good grief.


You leftists are so brave & tough..........make sure you drink your cafe latte before going to bed.

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lol. Now you think I'm being tough with you? Man, your own shadow must make you flinch.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
lol. Now you think I'm being tough with you? Man, your own shadow must make you flinch.


Are you having a Meltdown ? ........ panic

Don't worry they will soon be playing the Russian anthem at NFL games. You and your friends will soon be able to stand for the flag.

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lol. Always editing your attempted burns. Not sure of yourself.


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Originally Posted by Ciment

The blue collar workers that I know all love Trump. They are the ones that put him into power.



Interesting I find that the older guys are more than likely Trump supporters and I notice the younger guys are more liberal.

Maybe that is just the case in Upstate NY


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