@irishman

Dope dealers get their whole crews indicted when somebody ODs

The whole 2nd amendment rights from the 1800s is bullshit

People weren't going on shooting sprees back then

The government just doesn't give a fuck about its citizens


@aces

All sides of chicago has murders, not just the southside u bigot

Straw purchases from indiana drive Chicago's murder rate


@nickyeyes

Trump said republicans have the dumbest voters

He got elected president because republicans are simpletons

It's easy how anyone can be against this. The NRA is an group who advocates for citizens to have the right to bear arms. They didn't fund, help prepare or personally arm Nikolas Cruz. What about all the kids who bullied and tormented this kid? They share more of the blame than the NRA does.



It still can be used as a weapon.



Because it's the truth. If he had used a knife rather than a gun, would you be advocating for a ban on any and all knives? Probably not.



The NRA may be fighting it. Doesn't mean that gun reform still isn't taking place.



FINALLY! Something we can agree on.



I never said there wasn't a problem with mass shootings. What I said was you can't throw away the whole barrel for a few bad apples. Take a look at the number of gun owners in this country vs the number of mass shooters. It's pretty small. Also, more Americans die of heart disease, obesity or drunk drivers than from mass shootings. Where's your advocacy for them?



Already did. Ever hear of the YouTube shooter?



Yes, the pursuit of happiness. The pursuit of happiness is not a guarantee. I don't know what liberal utopia you live in but I live in the real world. And in the real world, I'd rather have a gun to protect mine than be without. Perhaps move out of Oakland if you have "crazy neighbors walking around with assault weapons." Also, pretty sure just walking around with assault weapons is illegal. You can own them within the confines of your home but I bet your neighbors ain't going grocery shopping with them.



Debt isn't a form of slavery? Student loans, car loans, mortgages? What would you call it?



"Better quality of life" is subjective to the individual. And I didn't say banning assault weapons results in tyranny. I said banning all weapons. And let me answer your already queued up rebuttal: again, if your type of gun control passes, I don't believe it'll stop at just assault weapons. So yes, with a complete ban on all firearms, tyranny reigns.



There's not currently a problem with law enforcement now?

Yeah, you can't really indict every gun owner because of someone else. What you're describing is racketeering. So you're suggesting our amendments are out of date? What's your stance on the first amendment? Do you believe the first amendment still applies to the Internet or just to 1800's technology?

@irishman

1st amendment should stay in place because of crooked politicians

Social media needs to be banned because its ruining society

I aint saying people shouldn't be able to have guns

But they need to out you through the ringer like they do with housing, etc

Assault weapons are only made to kill so citizens shouldn't have them

There's no evidence this ever happened.



If pigs could fly...

When someone kills 59 people and injures 851 others with one knife attack, let me know.



I already addressed the drunk driver question, several times. As far as obesity and heart disease go, these are not necessarily self inflicted diseases. Depending on DNA, some people take on these conditions naturally. There is nothing natural about a bullet from an assault weapon piercing through someone's skin.



Not a mass shooting. Only death was the shooter.



Never said it was. However, the pursuit itself is denied if one is constantly intimidated by right wing extremists in their community wielding assault weapons.



Pretty sure it isn't. If your'e gong to be such a gun advocate, you might want to learn the facts.



You said the government was enslaving you. What does your debt to private banks have to do with the government?

And I agree. I think background checks should be necessary for gun ownership and I'm not that opposed to make it tougher either. People who have a history of mental illness or who have been institutionalized perhaps shouldn't be able to own one.



According to your boy OakAsFan, all guns are only made to kill. So why the discrepancy between assault weapons and pistols/shotguns?

Sorry, that must have been the "right wing propaganda" that I've been influenced by talking. Apologies.



So now we're quantifying it now? What's the number the knife attack has to be up to in order to ban them as well? London's is a lot lower than 59 dead and 851 wounded.



Boy, you like to make the rules up as we go along, don't you? Not a mass shooting? 3 people were shot and injured during this spree. Would you still say this wasn't a mass shooting if those 3 individuals died along with the shooter? So what's the number that qualifies as a mass shooting?



This is what I love about liberals, everything's all about feelings and how things make you feel. Here's a line I'll throw at you that I'm sure you've already heard before as well: my rights don't stop where your feelings begin. Sorry you're feeling intimidated by the right wing extremists in your community wielding assault weapons. If that's the case, what about my pursuit of happiness if I'm too afraid somebody might mug/rob/assault me on a train to New York City to visit for the day?



Really? I can into a bank, government building, grocery store, movie theater with an AR-15? Man, I didn't realize I was doing it all wrong this entire time? Forget the concealed carry permit then. I'm bringing the heat so people can see I'm armed and will think twice before trying anything on me!



The student loans are federal. They cannot be forgiven, even in cases of bankruptcy. The only way they're off the books is if they're paid in full, or I die before then. Sounds like slavery to me. Slavery to the system. Taxes as well. Why should Uncle Sam take money out of my check to fund his wars overseas? Or to send aid to a foreign country?

North Korea suspends high level talks with South Korea over military drills with US, threatens to cancel meeting with US

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-44133308?__twitter_impression=true

How convenient, this was probably his plan all along.

@irishman

The mental health argument is kind of a sticky situation

Who knows people are crazy until they shoot up vegas

AR15 should be banned, its mass shooters favorite weapon

Criminals wouldn't have assault weapons if they werent sold legally

Military and law enforcement should only have assault weapons

You make some valid points here, I'll give you that. The mental health argument is a sticky situation and I only said I wouldn't necessarily be against it, not that I was completely in favor of it. Kind of like when you're convicted of a crime and you lose your ability to vote. And again, should the AR-15 ever been made available to the general public? Honestly, probably not. But again, slippery slope. Once you start banning one, where does it end? Because it most definitely will not end with just the banning of the AR-15.



This I disagree with 100%! Just look at Chicago. Do you really believe that disarming the entire country will stop criminals from owning guns? Has that worked out well with drugs? Because I'm pretty sure they're illegal and are still easily accessible.

You're not pursuing happiness if you're pursuing an activity in which you anticipate being mugged.



It sounds like debt.



Never heard of any form of slavery that actually provides the slave with services without forced labor as a trade off. You must feel really oppressed when the fire department saves your house, or when you use a freeway.

A pistol or a shotgun is all one would need to protect their home. Anyone who says they own an assault weapon for home protection is lying.

The problem must be with law enforcement.

Just walking down the street, minding my own business. Perhaps doing a little sightseeing. And as you said in your own words, the pursuit itself is denied if one (in this case, me) is constantly intimidated by those who might mug/rob/assault me.



Yes, and I was referring to debt as a form of modern day slavery.



Not really. Just when these debts follow you around continuously, even going so far as to garnish wages (not my own, but it is an option they have). What services are they providing by giving the money to foreign governments? And don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating to not pay your debts. But when I personally know someone who's monthly student loans are at least twice my monthly rate and almost as much as my rent, yeah, that's a problem. And you can say that it was my choice to go to college and get these student loans and I'd say you're absolutely correct. However, in this country, those who have college degrees usually go further in terms of salary and jobs.

Maybe they just enjoy taking it to the gun range and firing it off, what's wrong with that?

Even if it is, if guns are permanently banned, do you believe criminals will not have access to them?

@irishman

Its harder to get weapons if they don't sell ak47s in stores

Disarming the country would help with Violence

The war on drugs is a farce, too many politicians snort coke

The govt makes alot of money from the drug economy

People buy food while high and get prescribed drugs to get off drugs

Why would they, unless law enforcement isn't doing their job?

The scenario I presented was people walking around with assault rifles. You're talking about being afraid of people that are presumably unarmed, which is paranoia.



Not bad for "slaves".

So you say the war on drugs is a farce and the government makes a lot of money from the drug economy? But yet you still believe that the war on the second amendment wouldn't be a farce and the same government wouldn't make a lot of money from the gun economy? Ok

Again, just look at drugs. They've been illegal for decades and they've never stopped them from coming in. So yes, even if guns are banned, criminals will still have access to them, just like with drugs.

No, what I was talking about was people who are armed. And it's not paranoia, it's a fact. There's certain streets/neighborhoods that you don't go into (especially at night). You can't split hairs here.



Still just crumbs from the table in the big picture. The system is designed that way. To get ahead in this world, you need to go to college and get a degree. To be able to afford going to college, you need to take out these student loans that you'll be paying back for the next 20+ years of your life. Debt is a form of slavery.

Again, it sounds like the problem is with law enforcement, not laws.

People you're presuming to be armed, which is paranoia. I'm talking about people who are carrying openly. Gun nuts like you to know what kinds of guns they have.



Your misguided idea of what a slave is includes a scenario in which they can "get ahead in this world". Your words. Real slaves can't "get ahead in the world". Hope that helps.

Ok, so then by that rationale, if the second amendment was done away with, I don't trust law enforcement to keep guns out of criminals hands. Either way, criminals will get them.

Because we have a problem with law enforcement, not the laws. Police aren't doing their job enforcing gun laws. We need better gun laws, and better police.

So now we break out the labels I see? Who said I was a gun nut? Do you even know how many firearms I own? Of course not. Never said I was a gun nut but I am a believer in the second amendment and won't go without a fight when individuals are trying to take it away.

And what I'm trying to get across is that a law will not change it. Better police, I can agree on that. As I've stated previously, I'm completely in favor of body cameras and I hope they lead officers to behaving more appropriately. However, officers muting or turning off body cameras completely needs to be discussed as well. It seems as of late, during that critical moment of video evidence, the audio is either off or the camera was shut down completely. Personally, I think there's very few instances where the camera needs to be either muted or turned off unless something shady is about to go down.