okay well if u noticed i did not participate in the argument. i strictly came in at the END and declared the winner.
that is all.
what about the jews?

the thing is i didnt wanna partake in this argument bc i think its pretty stupid to argue w ppl that wont provide sources etc.

but to then see ppl actually start believing this crap is sad. and i feel for the mob noob. and i was let down bc i thought bensonHURST was gonna be a good poster.
....well.... enough said on that.

Well put, Jeremy. Evidence VS. No Evidence.

I answered all your questions Loscalzo. Just because you dont believe the answers doesnt mean they werent answered. Please reread every question of yours I put in its separate box and then answered. You clearly didnt pay attention. The evidence has and always will be there from your articles that are littered with contradictions, to your law enforcement agents who flat out lie to push their own own agena, to the bust last year where its clear as day that members of the Todaro Crime Family were arrested.

And yes Jeremy we all give you credit for being a judge at the end and declaring a winner. Great example of your attempt to ride coat tails after stalking a thread for a month and not saying anything because you know nothing other than what someone else tells you to be true. God knows you are the highest authority with zero input on many topics since youve joined in 2013 and when it comes to the Jews, you are claiming to be one right? So inform the forum here with some useful information about Jews that we all might be interested in. Im being sincere, me personally would like to know the stance on Gangsterism from a Jew.

So again, what are questions Loscalzo? We can do this one more time if youd like to help you get through these tough, confusing times in Tampa.

You didn't answer this one, Roost.

Buffalo has always been a stronger and more active family historically. Maggadino had power like a boss of the five families did. Commission type power.

Buffalo has an international crew in Canada to date.

Delia and Loscalzo are broksters if you were to compare them to Todaro Sr or Jr

Scranton answered to Buffalo at one point.

Delia flipped, no boss in Buffalo ever flipped.

Since 1987 Florida has been open to all the families.

Buffalo is still active today in my opinion and even if we go by your evidence they are dead, Buffalo stayed alive way past Tampa and Scranton did.

Apples and Oranges.

You said I didnt answer questions, plural, so Loscalzo what other questions didnt I answer?

besides discussing jews... which ig if u wanna make a thread on Jewish gangsters thats be cool
but anyways


so what do we know about the luppinos?
were they Ndrangheta?

maybe we can flip this around a little and make it informative!

when did scranton answer to buffalo? were they the same at one point?
one can make a point of view of how they became much weaker later hence all the split offs from them

There is no evidence of anything, its all speculative, subjective, ambiguous, convoluted, and misinterpreted

wow.

so u cant have a real conv about history? only argumentative non proveable stuff

Luppinos info is given by several posters throughout this thread.

Maggadino mentored Bufalino and in my assertion Scranton answered to Buffalo during that time based on that and Bufalinos connection to Upstater Barbara.

What is your input?

im more interested in where luppinos came from bc idk much bout them hence i asked.

buffalo i believe got pretty unstable the later half of maggadino reign. his own fam were turning on him
as well as rochester tells him that they no longer answer to them.

Every family faces instability after a long tenured boss dies, flips or becomes incarcerated, at varying levels ofcourse. Todaro Sr. did bring stability to the family however soon after.

I believe Giacomo identifies where in Italy the Luppinos are from in this thread somewhere

All of those adjectives sum up your argument completely. Speculative, subjective, ambiguous, convoluted and misinterpreted.


The issue I have with you is not the street talk itself, but the lack of separation between street talk and fact. "Buffalo has an international crew in Canada to date." That is purely street talk. Speculative. Ambiguous.


You wrote off Lee Coppola as a liar for saying the Buffalo mob was penniless in the late 90s, but you're willing to say LoScalzo was penniless?
WHERE'S THE DOUBLE STANDARD?
LoScalzo has been a liquor industry mogul since the 60s, essentially RAN a local bank and was able to take out loans without any pressure to repay on time, had an oil filter scam which netted hundreds of thousands of dollars, received a hundred-thousand dollar salary at a large dodgy car retailer with locations all across Florida, allegedly had politicians and sheriffs on his payroll, loansharking, has a high-ranking position at a wealthy country club, and has dabbled in real estate starting in the 2010s.

So... Lee Coppola's a liar for calling the Buffalo mob 'penniless,' which really is true when you consider all of the rackets they had taken off them. Gambling dried up, loansharking by extension, union connection was completely severed, etc. But somehow LoScalzo's a brokester "compared to Todaro Sr or Jr."


Ok, here we go. You've just shown that you've disregarded what I've been posting so far. Why is there any point communicating with you if you're going to ignore what I've posted anyways?
I'm arguing Buffalo was no longer a viable criminal enterprise by the late 90s/early 00s. There may have been some residual activity after that, which slowly died out.
That is the same with Tampa.
So the argument that "even if we go by your evidence they are dead, Buffalo stayed alive way past Tampa" did, is wrong. And you know it.



Are your beat cop sources who you talked to in bars (and are also potentially corrupt and related to some Buffalo mob members), more reliable than these people:
FBI
Federal prosecutors
District Attorneys
Investigative Journalists
Proven mob experts
?


You haven't answered or responded to this.

You didn't respond to this.


Books by who?
Investigative journalists? Who, according to you, all have an agenda and are colluding to lie about the Buffalo mob? Yeah... Respond to this one...[/quote]
You never responded to this one.


You didn't respond to this.

Nicky, I have finally seen the light and now know that what you say is to be considered the truth. I apologize dearly for every going against you. You are simply too much to argue against, a stellar and impressive debater.

Oh wait, I dont mean any of that.

Answer me this question, do you ever get bored with your obsessive compulsive disorder or has it taken so many different shapes and forms in this last month that it turns into more of a weird homo erotic fetish that you then transcend onto me through pretending to know about Buffalo because you read a few articles? keeping you occupied and content?

Investigative journalists lol right

So I guess we're all in agreement that Rooster's got nothing to stand on now?

Rooster asks me what he hasn't responded to. I show him some of the things he hasn't responded to. He gets defensive, since he knows damn well he ignored those previous posts for a reason, and then starts babbling in a furious rage about homo erotica and obsessive compulsive disorder.

Roost, give it up. There are fundamental holes in your theory that I've pointed out, that you have consistently refused to answer. I've tried to respond to all of your posts by quoting them and breaking them down. You pick and choose what you want to reply to, and then start foaming at the mouth when I call back on some of the posts of mine you ignored.

personally it upsets me he can't even talk about history which can be really discussed intelligently.
but yes

Nothing to give up Nicky, you lost weeks ago. When not everyone believes your articles and believe my logic. Get it? Ofcourse you dont. Ive answered enough of your questions for you to know my answers to any new questions you may bring up. Anyone can pick apart an answer, yours have easily been picked apart by 3 others on this thread. I answer a question and you tell me its wrong. You answer my question and I tell you its wrong. Im not foaming at the mouth about anything, you just cant see past what you see, get it? No, ofcourse you dont. You dont see logic. Reread what Nickle said when it comes to ideology and interepretation and logic you might learn something. We can keep this going for another month, youve been easy pickings since the jump as far as Im concerned.

Well, on a related but different note, is anyone else really excited to see Joe Pesci play Russell Bufalino in the Irishmen?!?

This is gonna be a Departed/Goodfellas level masterpiece.

Very excited....has Maggadino been added to the cast?

@ Nicky, I dont know or care who Tony Mirra is, and Im not holding Giacomo accountable for something he thought or read incorrectly and believing he is a full blown liar about everything. You are more than welcome too.

When Coppola said "Penniless", he should have meant it because its a strong word. He didnt say penniless compared to what the family was or relative to modern times. Its an exaggeration if fact or a flat out lie. He used it to be exploitative and presume something didnt know. Hes a quote on quote author and a professor right? Then for the sake of his journalistic credibility he shouldnt have used that word but he did, so the fact that he did makes me think he is a liar and other parts of his story are misinforming and misleading. Get it? No, ofcourse you dont.

And again, in my opinion, trying to compare Buffalo to Tampa and Scranton is ridiculous. Apples and oranges. That is my opinion and Ive given you the reasons why I believe this. Get it? No, ofcourse you dont.

Ive answered all your questions, you just adapt the same question so that maybe one of my new answers fits your narrative better. Get it? No, ofcourse you dont.

I never said any beat cops I know are related to mob members. Dont put words in my mouth, that makes you a liar. Insinuating I wrote that is a feeble attempt to continue to try and discredit me. Get it? No, ofcourse you dont.

Is this thread still going ? And this guy still spamming 5 posts in a row?! This is ridiculous

Totally Strax, thanks for checking in. Good to see you still are invested and answered none if the questions that were asked of you weeks ago.

I don't read a thing you post,i just saw this thread is now 30 pages, come in and see you again spamming 5 posts in a row instead of using "Edit" button.

Well, thats a lie. You read many of posts I wrote based on your earlier responses in this thread, admitted to reading my "spamming" posts and now just read my last post.

And yes, I did not use the edit button, youre very observant and youre as irrelevant to my etiquette as I am to yours. Is that comprehensible for you? I didnt think so.

Almost as much of a lie as you being from the Balkans

I am from Belgrade,Serbia. I am not going to discuss anything with you,because you keep claiming your bullshit over and over again. Thanks god you are not member on any other forum of this type,oh yes you would been banned from every.