-Nothing you have presented indicates the Buffalo mob is still active-

And every article you posted has easily been torn apart but yet you dont see the errors and chose to interpret discrepancies as truths. So again Nkcky, again for the 20th time, what is it that eludes you when people disagree with you that the family is dead?

Everything you reference has its holes in it and can be refuted just like what everyone else posts. Thats the only pure logic here.

Nicky;

That is my point for the FBI and local LE to declare the family defunct however, have no idea what was and is going on in Canada, and the family has always had and by your admission currently has a Canadian crew, in which they seem very intact, very capable and like they have multiple rackets going on.

How could the FBI make that call?

What if they had a couple of dozen guys throughout Canada?
Not saying they do.. How could you say NO WAY??

The most they should have said was the American Branch of the Buffalo families rackets have been seriously disrupted and membership on this side is down by a lot however, we really do not know what they have going on on the other side of the border???

If the FBI has no idea and the RCMP I would say is about 50 years behind the U.S. in everything...

Another good point Bensonhurst

Im hoping it provokes Nicky to go into another long winded post and he can keep this thread going until Memorial Day....I hope he proves me wrong though

Nicky, looks like the FBI knew something about this. Did you see the quote at the end of the article you referenced:



Looks like the mafia activity in Canada has US partnerships in NY City and where else?

Oh yeah, there it is: BUFFALO! 😂 😆 😝 LoL!

I’d say the FBI knew about Violi in March 2017 when it told the Buffalo News the Todaro Crime Family was dead, Todaro retired, and just a couple old timers left. That goes to a point I made in a previous post on this thread... sometimes they give the papers misinformation; either that at they are inept.

His response will now be that they mean Buffalo as a city used as transport or a hub for other crime families and that the statement doesnt mean or have anything to do with the Buffalo family

He will say that the FBI now means that Buffalo simply is a title only and it refers to an era gone by and only means that the people involved were once under the guise of Buffalo.

Nicky?

The FBI knew about the Violis when their dad ran Montreal

Wait for it....wait for it...

The FBI had been working with the RCMP for how long? Well over a year.

And the FBI in Buffalo didn't know about Violi?

Umm... Uhh... Ohh.... Umm... Maybe the FBI field office in NY City forgot to tell the Buffalo Field office.... LOL!!!

The FBI has known about the two Violis as soon as they were born.

This would have been a much better way for the Feds to handle it... I can't believe the FB didn't know of the RMCP investigation in March 2017 when the stated to the Buffalo News that the family was dead. They were working with the RMCP at that time. They had to know about Violi and Buffalo. They were either purposely giving misinformation of the FBI field office in Buffalo is inept... or for some reason they don't want to admit there is still some stuff going on with the family, especially in connection with the Canadian crews..

I think Nicky has gone on a much needed vacation to Siesta Key

The last point I wanted to make was this:

The investigation, said Michael McGarrity of the FBI, "unearthed and dug up the roots of a partnership extending from New York City to Buffalo and Toronto to Montreal, proving once again that Italian organized crime groups have evolved far beyond the neighbourhood cliques of days gone by."

Maybe you are right about that part Nicky and they are not operating like a traditional LCN family.

Maybe they are operating like Canada's version of a LCN family.

The Rizzuto's were like a Drug Cartel/LCN family.

But they had a heirachy in place that we never fully understood

When Vito Rizzutto tried to explain it to Sal Vitale he was saying that there was no one single boss that they were all considred equals and divided all the spoils up equally amoung 7 of them.

Maybe Buffalo evolved thats what LE and the Reporters just said so don't take my word on it, if LE says it and its in the paper we cant dispute it
???

Correct

The fact the FBI says Buffalo speaks volumes, proves they make mistakes, proves whats old is new again.

And Ive been saying since 2016 that Buffalo is a horizontal hierarchy who have been influenced by Canadian crime customs for decades, as the individual wheels turned, the machine moved

Before I address the Violi thing, I'd just like to mention something I find really interesting about this thread. If you look at the first few pages of this thread, Rooster says that his information comes from beat cops. In a previous thread he said he didn't know any wiseguys nor did he want to IIRC. Rooster's entire argument is based on the words of beat cops. These beat cops apparently know the entire hierarchy of the crime family. These beat cops know what rackets they're into. These beat cops know whose being made.






Fast forward a few pages and look at what Rooster is saying. When asked about why his ALLEGED beat cop sources haven't made any busts, he responded with:

So wait a minute. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that he actually DOES have cops talking to him about the Mafia. That's a huge maybe, and to be honest with you, I don't think he does.
If he does have cops talking to him, what makes these beat cops more reliable or trustworthy than the FBI? What makes them more reliable than longtime Buffalo OC investigative journalists? What makes them more reliable than DAs and federal prosecutors?
Some posters here are attacking the credibility of feds, DAs, and said journalists, but no one is questioning the credibility of Rooster's "beat cops." He acknowledged that some of these beat cops were related to mobsters;

And he acknowledged that Buffalo is a corrupt area, which I know to be true. For the record, the feds have a far, far, far better track record when it comes to Mafia corruption than city cops do. There is absolutely no question about that.
So even if, and that's a big IF, Rooster is telling the truth about his beat cops, are we really going to believe possibly corrupt beat cops over the feds? Especially when cops in Buffalo have not acknowledged the existence of the Buffalo mob in years? And the FBI has explicitly said that the mob in Buffalo (i.e. the Todaro crime family) is dead?

By this point, we know Rooster has conflicting thoughts about law enforcement in Buffalo. He acknowledged the area's corruption, as have many other posters and the DOJ itself has discouraged the corrupt culture of the Buffalo/Niagara Falls area, and has acknowledged that some of his sources are related to crime family members. But, fast forward even more, he gets to a point where he is straight-up dissing law enforcement in general, especially the feds, even though the feds are helluva lot better Mafia fighters than city cops.

This is a post aimed at me:

So wait... when I link actual, written statements by law enforcement, somehow I'm 'grasping?' But when you hang on to ALLEGED beat cops' words like the bible, that's okay with you? It's important to remember that Rooster has offered nothing which indicates he even speaks to Buffalo cops, let alone that what they're saying is the same as what he's posted.

So my reliance on PROVEN, DOCUMENTED law enforcement somehow has fallen apart, yet Rooster's ALLEGED talks with self-proclaimed corrupt beat cops hasn't?

But then he calls back on his beat cops and says this:

They apparently have insight, but not enough to make a conviction after over 15 years. And no, Cohen isn't a "Buffalo associate." Ciminelli isn't a "Buffalo associate." The bust you mentioned where you claimed two Rochester soldiers were indicted also never happened.
Rooster's "evidence" consists of him linking an unrelated arrest in Buffalo, like the Cohen arrest, and then trying to connect the dots with the Todaro crime family even though guys like Cohen were never, ever, ever connected with the Todaro crime family. It's not evidence if you have to tell us what the bust/article is missing.

Also, have a look at this little tidbit from Rooster:

How the fuck can a "current member" flip to that the family doesn't exist? If he's a current, active member, and he's flipping, then it obviously means there's something to flip over?
Anyways, let's claim that Rooster's convoluted example makes sense.
This means that the Trafficante crime family is still active, because no "current member" has flipped to say that it hasn't.
Has anyone flipped to say Pittsburgh isn't active?
Milwaukee?
Los Angeles?
Kansas City?
Dallas?
Seattle?
Denver?
I could go on. Watch Rooster try and say "Apples and Oranges" to this, even though he explicitly stated that the only way to tell if a family is defunct is if a member flips and says the family is defunct. Go figure...

Anyways, I continue with his hypocritical comments on law enforcement.

By this point, Rooster seems to be having memory trouble. As in, he is forgetting who told him the information about the Todaro crime family. Just to jog your memory Rooster, you claimed that beat cops told you the hierarchy, rackets and members of the family.

And Rooster claims that I'M the one with an agenda? My agenda has, and still is, strictly evidence. If I've somehow got an agenda because I believe the feds over an internet nobody and an admitted liar (Giacomo), then hey, I guess that's my agenda. But it seems that Rooster's agenda is to claim the family is still active at all costs. Which is why he claims his law enforcement sources are correct, and then later discredits law enforcement as a whole. It's also why he consistently shits on acclaimed reporters, until he manages to find little tidbits in articles which support his story. Acclaimed journalists for the Buffalo News and Niagara Falls Reporter are all wrong, but then Rooster references a chart from Gangsters Inc., an amateurish mafia news website (I enjoy the website, but - like About the Mafia.com - I wouldn't take it over the the feds, prosecutors and the Buffalo News). Where's the double standard?



So, to all the people that have discredited the feds, DAs, and other sources, in order to back up Rooster's story, where's the double standard? Bensonhurst, what makes you think that corrupt beat cops who haven't been able to make a bust are any more reliable than the feds? If you want to discredit the feds, fine, but what would we know without them? 90% of the information online about the Mafia comes from the feds. Wiretaps, busts, surveillances, informants... all the work of the feds. If you want to discredit the feds than you can discredit most of what we know about Buffalo's mob history. We only know about Joe Todaro Jr.'s closeness to Pete Capitano due to the feds, since the feds wiretapped Todaro's restaurant and caught him talking about Gerace and Capitano? That's just one example from this thread. When the feds caught Todaro Jr. talking about Capitano in 1990, that was good enough for you guys, but now when they call Local 210 an "aggressive but clean" union, that isn't enough for you?

Some of the quotes from Rooster there came from his 2016 thread.

The FBI does imply Italian OC in Buffalo as well as NY City, Toronto and Montreal has evolved. Evolved is an interesting word. It has the implication of having adapted, developed and grown.

Nicky, do you at least believe that the Luppino crime family and Papalia crime family operate crews in Buffalo?

Lol.....Nicky, I believe youre on your last legs and are about to be defunct. Gasping for your few last breathes. Youre really struggling

Any questions you have that you have or any statements you need explained or clarified, Ill be happy to address. Unlike you I give people the decency.

Keep using FBI as the source, they only contradict themselves or flat out lie every interview they give on the family.

No Nicky needs to try and find minor grammatical errors in my statements to hang on for dear life on this thread. Its like watching a bird with a broken wing try to fly after they fell off a cliff.

And nows he best buds with Loscalzo and framed a pic on his profile, what a joke.

Giacomo, any idea who was made recently in Buffalo?

Bensonhurst, what makes you think that corrupt beat cops who haven't been able to make a bust are any more reliable than the feds? If you want to discredit the feds, fine, but what would we know without them? 90% of the information online about the Mafia comes from the feds. Wiretaps, busts, surveillances, informants... all the work of the feds. If you want to discredit the feds than you can discredit most of what we know about Buffalo's mob history. We only know about Joe Todaro Jr.'s closeness to Pete Capitano due to the feds, since the feds wiretapped Todaro's restaurant and caught him talking about Gerace and Capitano? That's just one example from this thread. When the feds caught Todaro Jr. talking about Capitano in 1990, that was good enough for you guys, but now when they call Local 210 an "aggressive but clean" union, that isn't enough for you?

Nicky, I really haven't gotten involved with all that between you and Rooster,
Because honestly I don't know

I know what I know locally from experience I skimmed through the book that I posted "DI-CARLO" for the recent arrests I have done some internet research not typically my thing not reaaly good at it but I gave it a try.

This is what I have found out-------------------------------------------------------------------------:

The Buffalo crime family, also known as the Magaddino crime family and The Arm,[1] is an Italian American Mafia crime family based in Buffalo, New York, United States. The family operated throughout Western New York, Ontario, Canada and Erie, Pennsylvania.

History:

The Buffalo crime family gained power during the Prohibition era through bootlegging. In 1931, the family boss, Stefano Magaddino, became an original member of The Commission. The family remained strong and relatively united until his leadership was challenged in the 1960s. It then split into factions as they tried to assassinate him; the internal war continued after his death from natural causes on July 19, 1974.[2] The internecine warfare ended in the early 1980s when Joseph Todaro Sr. became the boss.[3] Todaro united the family and retired in 2006, leaving many in law enforcement to believe Leonard Falzone had taken his place.[4] However, others thought he was only acting as the "front boss" for the Todaros and that Joseph Todaro Jr. was the acting boss while his father became the senior statesman for the family.

The Buffalo crime family's main front operation was Laborers' International Union of North America (LIUNA) Local 210. Over the course of the later part of the 20th century and the first part of the 21st, the Buffalo crime family declined in influence. Factors included older members slowly turning away from the organization, younger Italian-Americans showing no interest in its operations, an 11-year federal operation that forced the family out of Local 210 between 1995 and 2006, introduction of the New York Lottery depriving the family of a major revenue source (illegal gambling revenue), and the rise of Joe Todaro Jr.'s legitimate pizzeria business. In a March 2017 feature article The Buffalo News reported "The Mafia is all but dead in Western New York," noting that a few widely scattered remnants that are no longer believed to be active or organized remain.[5]

However Matt Gryta, crime reporter for The Buffalo News, points out many believe the Magaddino Crime Family has "expanded into the new millennium through telemarketing, pump and dump stock scams and internet pornography with the “family” expanding its operations nationwide." [6]

In November 2017 the US Justice Department and Canadian newspapers indicate the family is still active. The Toronto Star states that Giuseppe (Joe) and Domenico Violi, who have longstanding ties to the Buffalo Mob, were arrested on narcotics trafficking charges.[7]

These charges indicate a continuation of the long established mafia drug trafficking rectangle from Toronto/Hamilton to Buffalo and Montreal to NYC established by Stefano Magaddino and his cousin Joseph Bonanno.[8] [9] Additionally, Metro News Toronto Edition writes:

“The arrests also hit members of the Buffalo crime family headed by the late Joe Todaro.[10] ” The Justice Department’s Eastern New York District said in November 2017 that Canadian law enforcement authorities had arrested various members and associates of the Bonanno, Gambino, and Todaro crime families on charges that include narcotics trafficking.[11] In response to these arrests Canadian journalist Adrian Humphries wrote:

Among those arrested in Canada are members of the Todaro organized crime family, based in Buffalo, according to U.S. authorities. The Todaro crime group was built by the now-deceased Joseph Todaro Sr., who took over the Buffalo Mafia once led by the influential boss Stefano (The Undertaker) Magaddino.[1

Nicky;

This is what you maybe looking for:

RCMP and FBI to announce arrests linked to Gambino crime family
The RCMP and FBI have made a string of arrests involving fentanyl trafficking by a long-established Hamilton crime group and the Gambino organized family of New York.
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THE CANADIAN PRESS/Fred Chartrand
RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson looks on before the start of the Commons committee on Monday, May 15, 2017, in Ottawa. The RCMP and FBI have made a string of arrests involving fentanyl trafficking; the names of the accused are expected to be announced later today.
By: Staff Torstar News Service Published on Thu Nov 09 2017
MILTON—The RCMP and FBI have made a string of arrests involving fentanyl trafficking by a long-established Hamilton crime group and the Gambino organized family of New York.
Among those arrested are members of the crime networks established by the late Paolo Violi and his father-in-law, the late Giacomo Luppino.
The names of the accused are expected to be announced later today.
The arrests were driven by the work of at least one “wise guy” – or mob member – who turned informer, a source close to the investigation said.
Violi was slain in 1978 in Montreal by men connected to the rival crime family of Nick Rizzuto and his son, Vito.
The arrests also hit members of the Buffalo crime family headed by the late Joe Todaro.
The Gambino crime family was once considered the most powerful Mafia family in New York.
In the early 1960s, Giacomo Luppino was considered by Toronto police to be one of the founders of the local governing body of the 'Ndrangheta Mafia group, called La Camera di Controllo or the Crimini.

Here are the 9 arrested in Canada:

Charged on Thursday morning were: Domenico Paolo Violi, Hamilton; Dimitar Dimitrov, Stoney Creek; Adriano Valentino Scolieri, Richmond Hill; Bernardo Luke Rotolo, Woodbridge; Tran Giang Tang, Kam Tim Tong, both of Markham; Nicholas Valentine, Vaughan; Anthony James Arroyo, Waterloo; James Lincoln Jablonski, Mississauga.

And Carifagna got hit not too long ago...2016

Do not claim they are a family Bensonhurst you know who will get very upset

Are any of the above known memebers of the Todaro Family?
Besides the Violio's?