I had to vote for him over Hillary. Just a matter of attrition for a lot of white people I believe.

Middle class oppressors? Eh, maybe. In the sense that they could call the cops on minorities or something, sure. But middle class white people don't make the big decisions, they don't have wealth to control politicians. When it comes to the billionaire class that runs this country, I would say middle class whites have more in common with blacks.

Good point Rollin Bones, personally I cant listen to any of todays age hip hop. I have reverted back to alternative rock and classic rock

@ Oak, fair enough...I think then it comes down to economic classes over race

If your'e not rich, Hillary would have been a better president for you. Poor whites voting against their best interests is exactly what I'm talking about.

No, it comes down to race. Because the billionaire class views blacks as a bigger threat than poor whites.

I guess for me, as sexist as it sounds, Im not voting for a female to lead me. Im not driven by policy as much as I am preference in a person.

My family and I though are not poor whites

You're not rich, either. You're really not in a position to oppress. You just have more privilege among the oppressors.

You voted against your best interests, whatever your reason was. You're not rich, so Hillary Clinton would have been a better president for you.

I know, thats not what its about for a lot of middle class whites though. Its about raising a family, being successful, and enjoying life as much as you can.

Not voting for Trump because we think hes the man or hes going to help us as whites

Hillary Clinton would have been a better president for middle class whites raising a family, trying to be successful and enjoying life. Trump is going to make all of those things worse for middle class and definitely poor white people.

I'm not sure what bait and switch Trump used to sucker you into voting for him, but your vote was a vote for the rich, not for you.

Yes it was a choice, but it wasnt a choice that was easy to make, its attrition. I dont like both of them for different reasons and for the dame reasons. Voting for Hillary wouldnt have changd my life or my familys much just like voting for Trump didnt.

You don't like both of them, but you voted for the one who would help you the least.

I just told you that I dont want a woman leading me, just how it is

I wasnt looking for help, my family and I will be just fine no matter who is president

Yes, I heard you. Which mean, you voted for the man, even though the man is going to be worse for you than the woman is. That is one of the typical reasons poor whites vote Republican. Identity. Anti-black, anti-woman. Nothing new here. Trumps bait and switch for you was saying "hey, vote for me, I'm the guy", and you did, even though Hillary Clinton would have been a better president for you and your family.

If you are not rich, you are not going to be doing fine fine with a Republican president. Unless you really lower your standards.

Again, its more of attrition in voting. Has nothing to do with being Anti-Woman or Anti-Black, has to do with preference. For you to just spew accusations really proves that your thoughts about whites are probably more like a form of racism.

Who cares who the fuck is president? Do your thing, make money , raise a family and enjoy your life. Sounds like Trump really permeates your thoughts more than youd like to admit.

Again, my family and I are middle class and are doing fine. Some of my family have done really well and continue to do well under Trump.

Let me ask you, do you believe that all forms of white pride are racist?

You said yourself that you voted for Trump because Hillary was a woman, and you don't want a woman president. You voted for the president who would be the worst president for you and your family, because he was better than a woman president, in your view. If that's not anti-woman, what is it?

And, again, if your'e not rich, and I doubt you are, your family is not doing fine, unless you have hideously low standards.

Yes, all forms of white pride are racist. Is this another reason you voted for Trump? White pride? Is this another reason you're voting yourself into the poor house?

Preferring a man to lead a country is not anti-woman, way to broad of a statement and then to stick anti-black into it? Uneccesary.

A six figure household income for 4 is doing fine. So rich to you is 1 million per household or?

So Italian pride, Irish pride, Spanish pride....all racist?

And then your theory is that black pride is not racist?

You voted for the man, even though the woman would have been a better president for you. Okay, you're pro-man. You still vote against your own self interests, and the Republican party has been getting poor whites to vote against their own self interest for years. That's how they do it. Identity politics. All Trump had to do to get you to vote against your best financial interests was be a guy. Call that whatever you want. Pro-man, anti-woman. It's the same thing.

You said "white" pride. Now you're talking about national pride. Italy, Ireland and Spain are countries, so, no, pride in your country isn't racist.

Im talking about heritage pride, ancestral pride, cultural pride when speaking of Italian, Irish, and Spanish pride not simply the countries

Black pride is the embrace of an identity that has been defined as sub-human by racist whites. The statement behind black pride is not racist, it's self defense.

If your'e talking about ancestral pride, culture pride, and heritage pride, then why are you naming nationalities?

Anti- woman when it comes to leading me, yes. My 6 figure household would retain or increase if a rock were president