I Am The Walrus?

@aces

Will smith is the exact person that u claim black males should act like but yet u hate him too

Tupac has contributed to society more than u have


@blueracing

You do realize jemi hendrix is black right? I guess he gets a pass

You're mad at tupac and he's been dead for over 2 decades....smh

I actually like Will Smith, smart and nice guy.

Tupac: tattooed thug life. Tupac jumped a guy after the Tyson fight. Tupac got shot dead. Great role model material. Hendrix is black. You're a Fucking genius. been listening to him since sixth grade. You must be the black guy that black guys don't even like. I don't know why you have to keep bringing race into these threads. Just like the other guy. Pathetic piece of shit.

Just because Tupac made mistakes doesn't mean he isn't a role model. He was a strong dude and sometimes instincts just take over. Most people would lose their minds if they had to deal with the things he had to. Yet, he kept it together and wrote legendary songs that still resonate to this day, especially considering how bad the country is now.

@blueracing

You're on a mafia website but have a problem with tupac having a thuglife tattoo

U do realize that mob guys are thugs right?

Why be mad at a dead man that has done nothing to you

I've said before, I'll say it again. Despite how racist mobsters are, I'd bet that they respect black and Latino gangsters more than they do their own white groupies from their neighborhoods, or cops. Cops love to pretend there's a mutual respect between them and the wiseguys, but there's not. It's a one way street. They admire the wiseguys, the wiseguys can't stand them.

Agreed Oak...

I actually have a legit debate around that, probably could be on its own thread.

If blacks and moreso black rappers preach about oppression and feel the white man has held them down why the extreme fondness for Italians and the Mafia?

Why have black rappers emulated Italians and the Mafia since basically the inception of modern hip hop in New York?

Wu-tang, Jay Z, Biggie, Nas, etc., etc., etc.

All ride Italian and Mafia dick, Gotti this, Gambino that, Capone, The Commission, on and on and on.

outlaws of all kinds are embraced by the rap world.

rappers being named after mafiosi was popular in the 90's.. not so much anymore. of course there are still a couple examples but that was by and large a fad amongst mostly NYC rappers, who had come up during a time when the mob was still very strong in NYC. so of course they would admire guys who live by their own rules and dont bow down to the system.

Drake raps about it all the time, calls himself Capo, Woodbridge Papi, talks about the Italians in Woodbridge all the time....its not a fad.

The fad was naming themselves after them, which doesnt exist as much, correct

Jay z just had a song a few years ago about it, all Italian Mafia based...Luciano this, vino drinking in Venice, talking mafioso slang

Who said anything about all white people being oppressors? Nobody thinks poor white people are oppressors. They can't even kick their opiate addictions and get jobs at Wal Mart. Poor white people just get criticized because they vote for the oppressors, because they think they're getting a leg up to do to the commonality of being white. Poor white people have more in common with black people than they do Donald Trump.

The white man, its a general statement...you have just been talking about white privilege this whole thread and the oppression that still exists.

So Italian culture and the Mafia does not suppress blacks thats why they are ok in their book?

Rooster, when I talk about white oppressors, I'm talking about powerful, influential white people who make important decisions, not poor white people. Poor white people have more in common with black people than they do with rich white people.

It's a street thing, Rooster. You're talking about gangster rap and party rap. Political rappers don't admire the mafia. Chuck D is critical of rappers admiring the mob.

Ok, I understand that.

So you would say that when it comes to Italian Culture or the Mafia blacks feel connected because it itself has its roots in oppression?

But you would admit there is a bit of infatuation when it comes to rap (as a broad genre, not sub genres within) and Italian culture/ Mafia?

You keep saying blacks. Most black people do not admire the mafia. I don't know where you're getting this. You're talking about gangsta rappers and party rappers. The reason why the latter admires the mob is because the mob is at the stop of the chain on the streets, which is what it's all about to them. It's a street thing. I've never met a black person who admires Italian gangsters. Ever. Of course I'm out here in Cali where nobody cares about the mob.

No. There's no infatuation across the board. You're referring mostly to 90's rappers, who rapped about partying and being at the top of the street game. Most rappers today don't even talk about the mob. You keep talking about Jay Z. lol. Get into this century.

Well said, Im not meaning to group a whole race.

So I guess it goes back to your statement about the Italian Mafia (I mean the whole worldwide unit) respecting black and hispanic street gangs. Do you think that these gangster rappers are cognizant that most Mafia would think they are a joke?

And, no, I don't think common experiences with oppression is the reason black rappers admire Italians. It's just a street thing. And, I think Italian mobsters have more respect for rappers than they do for typical nobodies from their neighborhoods, and especially cops. I don't know why you're hung up on oppression. I doubt you're in a position to either receive or inflict it. Like I said, poor whites have more in common with blacks than they do Donald Trump. Donald Trump doesn't care about any of you.

Drake, this century....Capo, Woodbridge Papi....raps about Italians in Toronto all time

Your problem is you make it personal when someone is trying to truly understand something. You have no idea who can be oppressed or be an oppressor, youre assuming you know every relation a white middle class person has. Middle class can oppress.

I doubt the mafia thinks they're a joke. The mob is obviously racist, but at the end of the day, I'd be willing to bet that the average wiseguy has more respect for rappers and black gangsters than they do for white civilians and cops. It's a street thing. Both can be useful to each other.

What does Trump have to do with anything when it comes to the topic of the Mafia and gangster rap?

I said I doubt you were in a position to be oppressed or be an oppressor. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but we'll never now, so I'm just guessing. I doubt you're a minority, and I doubt you're rich. Which means you have more in common with blacks than you do rich white people.

That's a two way street.. A lot of young White America is infatuated with rap and hip hop.. Including the offspring of mobsters.

As for the mob finding "gangster rappers" to be a joke.. Well, so do most real black and Latino gangsters Any real street guy isn't gonna like a caricature of their lifestyle.

Trump is an example of a rich white person that poor whites have little in common with, yet they still support him. That's my point.

@ Oak, agreed. Not rich, middle class.

Do you know the history of Italians when they came to America?