Vic is 83 years old and I don't know what his health is like but he can't be far off kicking the bucket. Madonna, Crea and DiNapoli are finished. So who is next in line to full the top spots? Ralph Perna, Anthony Santorelli, Danny Cutaia?

Santorelli and Cutaia are reaching retirement age, so I don't know.

The Luccheses are looking a little short of talent.....

Cutaia has Alzheimer's, so you can probably cross his name out.

Well that is the last real Amuso supporter on the streets. No wonder Amuso is so keen to keep Madonna on as acting boss even when Madonna is locked up.

No, not ralph perna. Good guy but he is more of a bookie opposed to construction racketeer. Construction is where they make the money.

Okay, Ralph Perna is out as well.

What about Boopsie ?
And Gervasi

They are from Joey Tangora's crew from Bath Ave

Boopsie got demoted to soldier, I'm not sure why but it's a long fall from acting underboss so he must have fucked up big time.

I'm not familiar with Gervasi, I don't know his background and it's actually the first time I've heard of him. I wonder if that Gervasi guy has taken over Joey Flowers crew, Joey has to have been bumped down to soldier surely.

He is a serious guy from what I remember the whole crew itself was very feared in the streets of Brooklyn.

I.grew up.around those guys.my whole life every once in a while one of them would stand out and be very intimidating
Gervasi was one of them.

Capeci has an old article about the Luc's and that guys in the life knew the Luc's on the street at that time were very dangerous.


Other crews feared them
.

Bensonhurst
I thought tangora had a club on 86st and bay something or other? Gaglione is out, whats up with Jimmy? I think he is still living in brooklyn?

Belmont did you get my PM

Yes.. just replied.

As far as I remember it was on Bath Ave I could be wrong

My friend Joey Gloves was married to his daughter
He was a real prick Tangora

His crew shot and paralyzed another one of my friends father Mike Motta, ruined the kid, he was all messed up after his father was shot
The father never walked...

Froggie is out....

They had the whole neighborhood locked down at one point
After the Bath Ave crew got knocked

He and Mario Gallo ran the crack game
Something aweful they were shaking down everyone in sight

And the dealers were trying to run to people they knew to stand up for them at sit downs....
They weren't backing down, no one was suppose to dealing...

The dealers had to pay more times then not.

They were on their own.

Mike Derosa, Messy Marvin

Crack hit Bensonhurst and Bathbeach Hard

There were crackheads all over

They also took out Gus Farace on 18th Ave and 81st Street

Did froggy get married? I think derosa still has family in bhurst.

Not sure if he got married or not.

Did Gallo get his badge?

He has bodies did 20 years

They can't give them away in 2018

Derosa was a funny guy man he was sooo shot
Just thinking about him makes me laugh out loud LOL

I see him on these shows talking about his life

And it funny as hell

He was nuts he

He shot it out with Greg Scarpa he ended up having balls Derosa

Shit was fun back then so CRAZY but fun

I try to tell people what it was like and if you didn't see you couldn't understand it

Where you from?

Jersey.

I didn't know Froggie that well

i was friends with Mario and he was under Froggie

I don't know any of Derosa's family

They shouldn't bothe the family because he flipped

Just used to hang out with Derosa now and again

Do you know Mario?

No. Yes derosa flipped but some of his family live in bensonhurst. No body would ever bother them. To be honest, derosa could move back to brooklyn. Did you know anyone from 20th ave?

Went to school with Lil Dino Saricino
I know all alomost all of them

Derosa I don't know with Mario out and Froggie out
Not sure how they would feel about that

What im saying is their really arent too many guys left.

I agree

The shooters don't want to shoot anymore

The new generation have no clue


It's a different ball game with out the bodies in the street

That's what keeps everyone in check

You guys like Groggie just did 20 years
Has bodies on his belt

What are they going to give him?
Union? No more of that

Fulton Fish Market?
Nope

Jacobs Habit center
Nope

I mean I am sure they will give him something

But does not seem to be that much left out there

Sorry on my phone now and I don't know how to take spell check off

And the phone keeps changing what I write

Who do you know from 20th ave?

I put all my chips on Big Joey Lubrano ....I hope he gets a shot at the top someday I think he has lots of potential.

I honestly cannot believe anyone would want the top spot today
You get what maybe, MAYBE a 5 year run.

True ...your rite.... Maybe I shouldn't say Boss but I would say I would like to see him become like a Stevie Mazzone of the Luccheses if I can put it that way all in all I would like to see him on a Ruling Panel type position I just think he has lots of potential being his age and how far he's come so far.

I cant imagine anyone wanting to be a boss.

Vic amuso son in law is running the family. He was a skipper and stepped up

The Lucchese and Colombo families will never return to glory/move ahead with the times unless Vic Amuso and Junior Persicos regimes are finally ended and some new blood is installed. They are holding their borgatas back. Vic has been locked up coming on 30 years now running things behind bars, while Junior has been virtually locked up since 1973 as boss with just a few years on the street. But guys like amuso and junior are too greedy to step down.

It's a shame there aren't more Tony Ducks around. What a boss. His men loved him. He wasn't greedy. He let the Jersey crew be and only asked for a small tribute. And when he knew he'd be sent away for life he decided to step down for the good of the family. Not many men of honor like that around. His only red mark is getting talked into letting Gas and Vic run the show.

Is that DiBenedetto?

When is the last time recently that a boss in the 5 families has retired with out going to jail?

So if you have a chance to grab the reins
I get it

The MONEY, POWER, RESPECT....

However, when you go to sleep at night
What are you saying to yourself??

Not me???

Aren't you better off being a low key capo and have a chance that you slip under the radar and maybe retire

I mean because jail sucks I have never been there thank god
A lot of my friends and family

but imagine being 70-75-80 and having to go to jail then.

I mean
??????

LOL as soon as your on Gangland and Jerry figured out your a boss
That means at 26 federal plaza there is an 8-10 picture on a board of YOU...

you just got the "GANGLAND NEWS KISS OF DEATH"
"MORTA"

I had to go to court in that building once. It was before they ended the death penalty in New York.

They had a lot of people there that day asking people to sign a petition to end the death peanilty. They asked me to sign it I said sure. So I signed it then I told them why I signed it even though they really did not care why I signed it only that I signed it.

I told them any way I signed it hoping that if they did away with the death peanilty it would give the prisoner a chance to kill a prison guard.

Danny Leo could have retired and never been arrested when he was in the Purple gang.

But instead continued in the mafia became a boss and went to jail in his 60s.

Then we had Michael Meldish he was fine living very low key in the Bronx. He started the purple gang. Then he had an accident a few years ago. He was accidently hit by a few bullets.

LOL some accident gotta hate when you wake up dead with swiss cheese holes all ova...

What I was asking was after becoming boss
Has anyone retired with out going to jail recently

Just step down and retire

My point is that you take that top spot and you are basically done

And in my opinion you rare better off passing on it and all that goes with it.

it is literally 15 minutes in the sun...

They're career driven. Check out the quote in my signature. A lot of guys don't mind prison that much.

I did know one guy he was never a boss. But he was very similar to frank Lucas. No one knew who he was but he had enemies later. He went to Grammer school with my older brother he was a Chinese kid Phillip Wou. He brought in a ton of heroin.

You want not to get caught you have to be way under the radar. So no one is aware of what your doing. That means you can own a lot of businesses and live in a big house but not a house that cost 20 million or more. Even if you can afford it. Plus if you are the source no one can know where your getting it from and who is helping you.. But your seller has to know if you die their gravy train ends.

I agree the sun doesn't shine for very long in most cases at the top I think it all differs tho I knew a guy who was the lone cocaine supplier for the city I live in which is known as Little Chicago... He had 25 year run with minor arrests for small amounts of cocaine thru the whole time he was bringing work into the city.... His name was Rico Rivas aka Taco he eventually passed some years ago and left 350,000 to one of his daughters and her boyfriend Paul Acevedo aka Pepe....money was left with the daughter and the pipeline connect was left to one of the sons that was named no other then Rico Rivas Jr.. Rivas Jr never amounted to what his father did but at same time a 25 year run with minor arrests is pretty good I would think the more n more I think about it tho I wouldn't rule out some sort of cooperation could have gone on.

Unless you're in Buffalo apparently...

Ligambi has been boss 20 years roughly and has done 18 months in that time And he wasn’t even convicted ..but looks like the house may come down

WOW- so Ligambi was a.b. for 20 years AMAZING....

Hi

What does the future hold for these guys

Vinny DiNapoli - Acting Capo in Brooklyn - Joey D son

Andrew DiSimone - Acting Capo in Bronx/Westchester

Vincent Mancione "Vinny Casablanca" - Capo in Long Island has ties to Joe Caridi

Alfred Santorelli "Freddy Boy" - Soldier ? - Tony Blue Eyes son

Anthony Acceturo Jr - Soldier ?

Any future left for the

Avellinos - Mike n Carmine

Argentinas - Jimmy n Ray

Cutaias - Sally n Joey

Pernas - Junior, Joey, Johnny, and Mikey

Acceturo JR ? He is not involved at all.
Perna’s, who is jr? You talkin about Ralphie?
Mike is laying low and enjoying his grandchildren. John and joe are probably becoming very good at playing checkers.

Didn't Cutia own a car service on New Utrecht Ave in the 60's
I forget the name that he gave to his son in law FeeFee?

Crea the kid passed a lie detector test ......but even though it was a FBI agent he is retired or other and this possibly a new move by lawyers.

read that in daily news last week forgot to say my piece. looks like the kid is gonna get off the judge let him out on bail. unheard of in a mafia rico murder trial. judge also been hinting the prosecutors lied about shit or made it up. i could never figure out why crea would issue a hit threw his son in this day. hes seen it all. guys not that dumb to do it to his son when he can pass the order to someone else. capeci touched up on it this week said something like creas kid became a capo and the family started talking shit he was broken down to soldier quickly. probaly like scarfo jr. cant ride your dads coat tails look at jr gotti and that disaster

Yes. I thought that was a rather ruthless move by Crea Snr to order a hit through his son. I guess the feds/prosecutors are lying about that.

Where did he say that? I can't find anything...

frank papagni, anthony baratta, frank lastorino, joe tangorra and george zappola are all in freedom

How about the New Jersey faction?

And are all of them laying low ? Don’t hear much coming out of Brooklyn lately.

Neo its in gis column gangland this week. Dont waste yhe money subscribing hes been mailing it in the last 3 yrs. I left my credit card pn the account so it automatically renews. Weak. It said as soon as crea jr became capo politics in the family came and he was bumped down quickly. Meaning members talking shit. I think his lawyer is saying this in memos tp the judge an court which years ago would be looked down on but in these days any defense goes and i bet no one gives a shit as long as your not snitching on someone else or whatever. Capos in the genovese family been taking pleas for decades now. Even chin. Abunch of them even acknowledging there mafia memebers. That secret society bullshit flew the coop after gotti. Dont blame them either. They all were getring hammerd. Pleas saved alot of the lcn. I would guess ray jr in new england first boss to take a plea. Smart saved him alot of time for boss numbers the feds give out. He didnt even have to say he was a lcn memeber

The 5 families can only survive if they get more blood over from Sicily and Southern Italy,

True ... But they also need some security even a (crew) possibly to keep eyes on guys that are suspicious or new or just come out of nowhere.

Also need possibly the Commission if serious about continuing that life they need a member or two from each family to become that crew of guys that get trained in electronics (bugs) and lie detector screening and do body searches before meetings.

They are all losing money and many are going away for life how do they not get organized and put together a very organized system .

Once the guys (members) get word that this system does exist things will be much different you will be catching guys wearing wires you will catch guys going places with people that they should not be with hence start a full time investigation to that member.

How much money do they have to lose or how many of them have to become rats before they start thinking like the guys that are framing them and putting them away. I say framing because most guys wired up are pushing fed money to intrap the member.

Why am I the only person that sees that if I am making 2 million a year as a skipper and you have five good skippers that they can invest 200G and the boss kicks in and you have a crew like insurance watches the family ass .

Why is this not being done ....


It used to be done in similar as Murder Inc. guys knew not to rat they would jump off bridges and buildings before they rat ..

That is a great business idea serp. But for all the “this guy could of been a top ceo in the legitimate world” BS, these guys are gangsters who use intimidation and violence to make money.. Not being righteous at all but just saying there is a reason why they go into that life over the legit world where death or life in prison isn’t a likely option. Think George A summed it up best when he said that all this lcn thing is for guys who don’t want a 9-5!

I'm not familiar with current politics in NY. But the Luccheses always had the right connections although subtle or hidden. Working through lawyers, union leaders, and businessmen.

I get it but this has only been since the 80’s so it’s not like it’s been a hundred years ......they have to evolve or die ...

The reason it's not being done is the same reason you are saying guys could have been C.E.O. s of companies.

Back in the day when the sicilians first came to America, there were almost NO opportunities for Italian Americans, to make it out of the Italian GHETTOS,

The conditions were so bad many said jail was an improvement.

So for most Italian Americans LCN was one of, if not the only way out.

Hence you have what it has been said that alot of these guys could have been so much more.

Those guys were the brains they would cultivate relationships with judges, politicians, police chiefs and the likes.

Many would try to pass or did pass themselves off as business men, I.E. Costello, Joe Todaro, Tocco even Rizzutto got where he got because of his savy.

That you had the shooters who were good for one thing.
They were always easily dispensivle.

Fast foward 50 years and Italians moved up on the food chain.

For young smart Italians there are now many lucrative ways to make money..

LCN isn't that attractive anymore.

The talent pool has dried up.

PLUS technology has evolved so rapidly who could keep up,??than you have the use of RICO and Wit-sec.

I agree the commission would have to be intact for all the families to survive.

They would have to bring in their sons, cousins, nephews etc.
Like Massino did in the late 90's early 2000's, Massino made as many family members as he could
Also marry off daughters etc.

Old world stuff.

Either that or they will have to restructure and maybe merge everyone into one family.

One thing is 4-sure they will survive as they have for the past 100 years

Not many businesses have been around for 100 years.

Think about it how many can you name
And most that are the Gov't saved them from being defunct.

Lots of Italians had good jobs in the catering industry and the tailoring industry etc. and mobsters took advantage of them, too. The Irish were in a similarly disadvantageous position and a lot of them went into the profession of working law enforcement; I'm sure the Italians similar. Look at Sammy Gravano's father. He had a good job and was aghast at what his son became. Look at guys like Carmine Persico's son. He went to college but was still drawn to that life. Look at Colombo's children and Gambino's children. They probably had all the money in the world to get an education and get away from that life but they still gravitated to these people. Even quasi-contemporary guys like Battaglia and Bellocchi had pretty decent jobs but still got drawn to the life.

Even the Corozzo kid presumably got the best possible education with blood money from his parents and became a house counsel; Junior Gotti went to military school.

Sometimes it's more complex than saying these guys don't have good opportunities.