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Re: Why the media glamour rise lcn and not minority or [Re: Strax] #933271
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Originally Posted by Strax
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It’s not just that though. Yes plenty of street gang activity crosses over into what what be considered organized crime today, but the original purpose of most street gangs wasn’t to do white collar crimes. If you join LCN, then you’re basically signing up to be a career criminal, and that’s how you make a living. When you join a street gang, you’re usually a teenager and you can end up being a career criminal if you choose to, or you may straighten out in a few years, start a family and work a regular job. Gangs are more like tribes and it’s not all about making money through illegal activity and trying to control unions and running scams. Yes, some of that exists in the gang world especially for those that choose to take that path. But it isn’t the core mission for everyone involved.


Very rare anyone of them straighten out , as i said before most likely they got killed by their 30's,some of them leave that life and start washing dishes at local restaurant. Classic low-life



It’s not rare. It’s actually been the norm for decades. You don’t know what you’re talking about. I also don’t see how career criminal crooks involved in LCN are somehow not low life’s simply because they’re life long crooks.

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Ever consider that most minority gang members don't want to control businesses, unions, or large scale rackets?


They clearly lack the sophistication amd intellect to do so. Its not that they dont want to, its that they couldnt even if they wanted to. First , you would need to let them know what a pension was, then what a union was, then explain what a union is and why they wre profitable. Lets not even go into textiles and construction.


I don't know, Aces. What are you saying here? That black people are simply genetically unintelligent and incapable of handling sophisticated tasks, by way of their racial DNA? It seems like this is your overall point. Do you believe this?


I never said that. Why dont we evaluate the evidnce first and then draw some conclusions. Perhaps we can compare black neighborhoods and italian american neighborhoods and then make an few comparisons.

Re: Why the media glamour rise lcn and not minority or [Re: thebigfella] #933273
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I did not say LCN members are not low-lifes,classic thieves, murderers, same shit,just on higher level.


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Re: Why the media glamour rise lcn and not minority or [Re: thebigfella] #933274
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For what reason? What point are you trying to demonstrate?


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Most gang members go on to working class jobs. And no, not dishwashers. Most would rather stay in a life of crime than do undignified work. Typically work that involves physical labor, or maybe sales.


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Re: Why the media glamour rise lcn and not minority or [Re: Strax] #933277
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Originally Posted by Strax
I did not say LCN members are not low-lifes,classic thieves, murderers, same shit,just on higher level.



Oh that’s fair then. The only difference is that most street gang guys out grow this behavior by a certain age, while classic OC groups continue to be crooks well into middle aged years and beyond.

Re: Why the media glamour rise lcn and not minority or [Re: OakAsFan] #933278
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Most gang members go on to working class jobs. And no, not dishwashers. Most would rather stay in a life of crime than do undignified work. Typically work that involves physical labor, or maybe sales.


Washing dishes is not undignified work,its a job like any other,expect you don't need any education or skills to do , same thing goes for physical labor. I just said that as example,they end up doing low-paid jobs that require minimal to none education


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To former gang members, it's undignified.

Most go on to jobs where there's some sense of accomplishment, that a man could brag about, despite the pay being crappy. Outdoor work, mechanic, auto body etc. Or sales, where you can dress professionally. It's difficult to go onto the kind of job that people laugh at. They came out of a life where any slight on their reputation was cause for violence, or at least the threat of it. It's difficult for a gang member to just go work at McDonalds. They'd rather not work at all. Most are able to find jobs in some type of outdoor work or sales.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Most gang members go on to working class jobs. And no, not dishwashers. Most would rather stay in a life of crime than do undignified work. Typically work that involves physical labor, or maybe sales.


Yup. Construction type jobs, electricians, plumbers, mechanics, small business owners etc. I know so many in so many different types of normal jobs. I’m not saying they go on to be big CEO’s or work for NASA but many do well enough for themselves. If they all were killed by their 30’s then none of the men in my extended family would still be alive today.

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Re: Why the media glamour rise lcn and not minority or [Re: thebigfella] #933282
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Well if by "gang member" you mean teenage kid who goes around selling drugs with his friends and goes around with same group of friends acting tough,oh well i done that too,most of people i know had that period in their lives. For me that's not gang member.


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You don't see Father Boyle trying to get these guys trained for restaurant work. He knows they'll never do that kind of work. He tries to get them into those blue collar union jobs. Those are the only kinds of jobs that will keep them away from the life.


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I wanted to state more on the difference activity wise. You have to remember history at play as well. Mainly East Coast & Midwest crime families were substantial in the labor racketeering before these current street gangs except a very few. Like SoCalGangs mentioned discrimination played a role in it as well. As time went by and feds applied more crackdowns to LCN related Unions , street gangs were expanding out through various means. Chicago having such a unique underworld is the closer case of a street gang related union in the process via Mickey Cogwell aka Chief Mick ( Mickey Cobras). By the time Crips/Bloods/Latin Kings/GDs/BPS made they're presence in NYC it's too late to be involved in that racket due to the years of LCN involvement. Presently the only unions I could see being involved with street gangs are predominantly minority base ones.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
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Ever consider that most minority gang members don't want to control businesses, unions, or large scale rackets?


They clearly lack the sophistication amd intellect to do so. Its not that they dont want to, its that they couldnt even if they wanted to. First , you would need to let them know what a pension was, then what a union was, then explain what a union is and why they wre profitable. Lets not even go into textiles and construction.


I don't know, Aces. What are you saying here? That black people are simply genetically unintelligent and incapable of handling sophisticated tasks, by way of their racial DNA? It seems like this is your overall point. Do you believe this?


Do you ever seen Sons of Anarchy, Oak? There a character Damon Pope that control all the rackets in Oakland exspecially the gangs like the Niners; he is like a Godfather,wear like a lawyer. I don't know if ever existed in real life a black gangster so powerful,but maybe in the west coast exist.

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I'm sure Pope is a composite of the '80s cocaine Godfathers like Felix Mitchell and Darryl Reed, but they weren't anything like the syndicate bosses. Nor do I think they wanted to be. That's what some people here don't understand.

Gambling is the only real racket in the bay area and I'm sure it's mostly Russians and Asians running it today. Oaks Card Club in Emeryville, started by Frank Costello associate Elmer "Big Bones" Remmer (pictured in my profile pic), is run by Asians today, and they've been subjects of investigations in recent years.

Lanza and Cerrito families were mostly into legitimate business, they'd carry out favors for families back east, like whacking Patriarca associate Joe "The Animal" Barboza.

Police in the bay area were always adverse to east coast racketeers. The only exception was Emeryville in the early 20th century, which at the time was as mobbed up as Nucky Johnson's Atlantic City, and that's not an exaggeration. Literally all of Emeryville's city council was on the take, and Remmer was the defacto mayor of that town. Obviously, there was no way a black person could be a racket boss in these days.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I'm sure Pope is a composite of the '80s cocaine Godfathers like Felix Mitchell and Darryl Reed, but they weren't anything like the syndicate bosses. Nor do I think they wanted to be. That's what some people here don't understand.

Gambling is the only real racket in the bay area and I'm sure it's mostly Russians and Asians running it today. Oaks Card Club in Emeryville, started by Frank Costello associate Elmer "Big Bones" Remmer (pictured in my profile pic), is run by Asians today, and they've been subjects of investigations in recent years.

Lanza and Cerrito families were mostly into legitimate business, they'd carry out favors for families back east, like whacking Patriarca associate Joe "The Animal" Barboza.

Police in the bay area were always adverse to east coast racketeers. The only exception was Emeryville in the early 20th century, which at the time was as mobbed up as Nucky Johnson's Atlantic City, and that's not an exaggeration. Literally all of Emeryville's city council was on the take, and Remmer was the defacto mayor of that town. Obviously, there was no way a black person could be a racket boss in these days.


You'd be surprised when you dig into those scenarios.


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it's probably also worth to mention that the lcn was founded by italian immigrants, who carried on a tradition from a country where racketeering was and to some extend still is just the way society worked - and that their succes was heavily boosted by the money and power they gained during prohibition.

Latin and black gangs started out of poverty stricken neighborhoods heavily infested with drugs and these people were generally not accepted in circles where real political and economic power could be earned. How do you think society would have reacted if a black guy tried to sell everyone on a bunch of casinos i a desert in the 40's? And by the time black and latin people reached a point where they were taken more seriously by society, the rules had started to change and it wasnt that easy to bribe your way in to the mainstream society unless you like the lcn had a solid base of power in the first place.

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Originally Posted by mbo
it's probably also worth to mention that the lcn was founded by italian immigrants, who carried on a tradition from a country where racketeering was and to some extend still is just the way society worked - and that their succes was heavily boosted by the money and power they gained during prohibition.

Latin and black gangs started out of poverty stricken neighborhoods heavily infested with drugs and these people were generally not accepted in circles where real political and economic power could be earned. How do you think society would have reacted if a black guy tried to sell everyone on a bunch of casinos i a desert in the 40's? And by the time black and latin people reached a point where they were taken more seriously by society, the rules had started to change and it wasnt that easy to bribe your way in to the mainstream society unless you like the lcn had a solid base of power in the first place.


Very true and overlooked.. There weren't many black folks in tammany hall.

Oak, where did you hear that the SF LCN had Barboza killed? I've always heard that JR Russo from East Boston pulled the trigger on that.

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Re: Why the media glamour rise lcn and not minority or [Re: BlackFamily] #933547
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Originally Posted by BlackFamily
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I'm sure Pope is a composite of the '80s cocaine Godfathers like Felix Mitchell and Darryl Reed, but they weren't anything like the syndicate bosses. Nor do I think they wanted to be. That's what some people here don't understand.

Gambling is the only real racket in the bay area and I'm sure it's mostly Russians and Asians running it today. Oaks Card Club in Emeryville, started by Frank Costello associate Elmer "Big Bones" Remmer (pictured in my profile pic), is run by Asians today, and they've been subjects of investigations in recent years.

Lanza and Cerrito families were mostly into legitimate business, they'd carry out favors for families back east, like whacking Patriarca associate Joe "The Animal" Barboza.

Police in the bay area were always adverse to east coast racketeers. The only exception was Emeryville in the early 20th century, which at the time was as mobbed up as Nucky Johnson's Atlantic City, and that's not an exaggeration. Literally all of Emeryville's city council was on the take, and Remmer was the defacto mayor of that town. Obviously, there was no way a black person could be a racket boss in these days.


You'd be surprised when you dig into those scenarios.


You're right. I would.


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Originally Posted by RollinBones
Oak, where did you hear that the SF LCN had Barboza killed? I've always heard that JR Russo from East Boston pulled the trigger on that.


You're right. The Lanzas helped locate him for New England hitters, as he was hiding out in the city. Only further illustrates my point. The Lanzas were scarcely involved with illegal activity by this time. Thank you.


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