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Bonanno/Rizzuto
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02/28/18 02:12 AM
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Guys, you think the Rizzuto Organisation (before all the deaths) are Richer and more Powerful than the Bonanno crime Family in NYC today?
You think the Bonanno Family this days are more and more a low and weak Organization or not?
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Re: Bonanno/Rizzuto
[Re: SimonChen]
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02/28/18 12:57 PM
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Rizzutos might be powerful, but are they really big in size? It seems they only had 20-40 members because they were once a crew of Bonannos. Maybe they had many more associates, but it seems they were not comperable to Bonannos as the latter one has more than 100 soldiers. it depends because 30 soldiers for exemple can sometimes be better then 150 soldiers (in rare cases but still) It's the quality not the quantity That's what the lcn did all the time in the history, many families didn't open the books for years cause they had the right guys already
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Re: Bonanno/Rizzuto
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02/28/18 01:11 PM
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Rizzutos might be powerful, but are they really big in size? It seems they only had 20-40 members because they were once a crew of Bonannos. Maybe they had many more associates, but it seems they were not comperable to Bonannos as the latter one has more than 100 soldiers. it depends because 30 soldiers for exemple can sometimes be better then 150 soldiers (in rare cases but still) It's the quality not the quantity That's what the lcn did all the time in the history, many families didn't open the books for years cause they had the right guys already And for this reason that families like Pittsburgh,Cleveland ecc when the feds hitted hard and arrested many members,who remains on the street simply doesn't have the men and the family become defunct. Montreal isn't NY,who rules on the rizzuttos must rebuilt the reputation and rebuilt the family knowing that an alliance between bikers,irishs,mob and haitians can't be restored and had only 30-40 soldiers doesn't help.
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Re: Bonanno/Rizzuto
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02/28/18 01:16 PM
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Look at it like this:
The Rizzutos were powerful, but still very small as an actual family. They seem to be essentially wiped out now. I mean, they still exist at a small level but they no longer have a monopoly on Montreal. That monopoly is long gone, there's likely multiple mob groups (maybe 2-3 at least) now in Montreal doing their own thing independent of each other.
The Bonannos, for as much as they got hurt by Massino and Vitale flipping, are still in power and a viable family. Like I'm sure the FBI knows who all of the captains and most of the soldiers are, and has a decent idea of the structure. Obviously they don't have a monopoly because there's five families, and they'll never be as strong as they were back then, but the family's hierarchy still exists.
The Rizzuto's hierarchy / family structure seems broken. The people who have more power in Montreal now likely don't give a shit about joining the "Rizzuto Family" or whatever. Montreal at their peak seemed far closer to a confederation of different drug trafficking groups than a traditional LCN family.
"It wasn't very good parsley to begin with, and then the cat went and peed on it." -Sicilian proverb
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Re: Bonanno/Rizzuto
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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03/01/18 10:59 AM
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The force of Rizzutos under Vito was the connections with politicians,rogue cops,construction s ecc Vito was also a peacemaker in few words the street thugs respected Vito; now who control the family maybe Leonardo Rizzuto that had ties with the angels isn't charismatic as his father and the Siderno group want to take montreal. The Bonanno had max 120 made men and no way 1000 associates maybe 400-500. 1000 associates at the beginning of the 21st century is very well possible Fur. The Bonannos at that time were at their peak before all the indictments decimated them.. Also, Selwyn Raab writes in his book that Law Enforcement states that for every made man in the Five Families, there are 5-10 associates and the Bonannos had around 150 made men in early 2000's, again according to Raab in his book Five Families..
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Re: Bonanno/Rizzuto
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03/01/18 12:11 PM
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The force of Rizzutos under Vito was the connections with politicians,rogue cops,construction s ecc Vito was also a peacemaker in few words the street thugs respected Vito; now who control the family maybe Leonardo Rizzuto that had ties with the angels isn't charismatic as his father and the Siderno group want to take montreal. The Bonanno had max 120 made men and no way 1000 associates maybe 400-500. 1000 associates at the beginning of the 21st century is very well possible Fur. The Bonannos at that time were at their peak before all the indictments decimated them.. Also, Selwyn Raab writes in his book that Law Enforcement states that for every made man in the Five Families, there are 5-10 associates and the Bonannos had around 150 made men in early 2000's, again according to Raab in his book Five Families.. I know that apart Gambino and Genovese that had 5 associates every made men the others had only 3. Nut if Raab write so for sure he's right.
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Re: Bonanno/Rizzuto
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03/01/18 12:38 PM
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The force of Rizzutos under Vito was the connections with politicians,rogue cops,construction s ecc Vito was also a peacemaker in few words the street thugs respected Vito; now who control the family maybe Leonardo Rizzuto that had ties with the angels isn't charismatic as his father and the Siderno group want to take montreal. The Bonanno had max 120 made men and no way 1000 associates maybe 400-500. 1000 associates at the beginning of the 21st century is very well possible Fur. The Bonannos at that time were at their peak before all the indictments decimated them.. Also, Selwyn Raab writes in his book that Law Enforcement states that for every made man in the Five Families, there are 5-10 associates and the Bonannos had around 150 made men in early 2000's, again according to Raab in his book Five Families.. I know that apart Gambino and Genovese that had 5 associates every made men the others had only 3. Nut if Raab write so for sure he's right. Law enforcement mentioned the number 10 in multiple ocassions, Joe Pistone also stated in his book that a made member had everage 10 connected guys with him. I think its impossible to know the real number or even an estimate. But if a small family or clan with about 20 or 30 members could function well then it seems there should be plenty of associates. Cant imagine Rizzutos climb to the top of Montreal underworld without hundreads of manpower.
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Re: Bonanno/Rizzuto
[Re: Marcow]
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03/01/18 01:43 PM
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Thank you Furio for this analysis and you think of how long the Ndrangheta will be a force equivalent or even stronger in the United States than the Cosa Nostra? ndrangheta never will be stronger than cosa nostra in the states, it has just some crew over there but cosa nostra and also sicilian mafia are by far stronger sicilians are more connected to ny families than ndrangheta and in montreal/quebec sicilian mafia is stronger, ndrangheta is stronger in toronto/ontario
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Re: Bonanno/Rizzuto
[Re: Marcow]
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03/01/18 02:34 PM
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I have no idea but in 2018 the most are non-italians depend by the family ? most of associates are italian, hard to say how many a made man can have 15, 10, 5 or 3 around him, it depends sure the rizzuto's have tons of associates although less made members than the bonanno's but bonanno's are still active in montreal, probably the arcuri's are on the bonanno side and they moved war to the rizzuto's
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