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Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924082
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the scumbag lawyers always win..very good assessment Aces

Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Aces] #924087
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Originally Posted By: Aces
There is a big misconception regarding Gotti’s intelligence. Same with Scarfo.
Everyone is born with a special talent. Gotti had a natural ability to lead. Thats really what it boils down to. Most people dont have that quality.
He probably had average to above average intelligence. But who knows, he never took the SAT exam.
He was not dumb, thats for sure. People naturally gravitated towards him, he had that gift. Those who have that gift arent dumb.
Let me ask you guys this.. the United States put all their resources into arresting one guy ( Gotti ). Do you really think he would of never been arrested if he wasnt so high profile??? Maybe he would of been on the streets another year, if it wasnt gravano who flipped, it would of been someone else. You have to remember, the gambino’s were the biggest and most profitable family at that time. There is no way you can bring in that kind of money without the feds targeting you.
It boiled down to this.. the FBI against one guy.. who wins??


i never denied his ability to attract guys to follow him. He did have a ability to lead in a way. HOWEVER i still dont think he was a smart guy. He wasnt a dummy but ill put it this way...he wasnt as smart as he thought he was or like he said in his prison tapes

Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924089
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Lets assume Gotti had a genious IQ. Would that have made a difference? No.
He would of ended up the same way. Lets say he never talked and wasnt high profile? He still would of ended up in prison for life and there would of been another rat that identified each and every capo.
Look how low profile bin laden was and we found him.
Once the government targets you, its all over.
Was Gigante smart?? What kind of life did he have?? A shitty one. At least gotti enjoyed life. Gigante lived the life of a prisoner before he ever went to prison.

Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924090
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great comparison Aces CHIN GOTTI life style..it dont matter when the G comes

Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924091
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The act the Chin put on did work for a while so it's a possible trade off.

There is a lot of men that never leave there neighborhood especially in the old Italian communities .

I don't know every day on the street is pretty good .


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Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924092
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Aren't some of Gigante's relatives still living off of some of his rackets? Gigante didn't think of himself, he thought of both his mob family and his real family. The Genovese family is still the most powerful family today thanks mostly to the operations Chin was able to keep going while he shuffled around like a lunatic, even if he wasn't able to enjoy the spoils in public. Gotti couldn't think beyond himself. This is what Gravano has always talked about.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924093
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“Every day on the street is good”..
Every day on the street in a bath robe in not good.. when gotti went down, alot of guys wanted nothing to to with being boss. Technology became far too advanced and both Leonetti and Gravano ( both underbosses) sent a clear message that omerta was now only just a word in the urban dictionary.
Believe it or not, guys like gotti, scarfo, and amuso prove that starting at the bottom and getting to the top doesnt work well in the mob. All 3 started off as street guys that planned scores and were basically arch criminals. Castellano and Bruno were quint essential racketeers not gangsters. They make the best bosses though. They make business decisions not emotional decisions.
All 3 guys i mentioned met their demise by making a bunch careless emotional decisions.
Think about that, its true.

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Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924106
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Jackie had a good relationship with cefulo he made him his underboss before they were busted for operation old bridge and cali was in his crew since the 80tys wonder if the corrozzo still hold power in the family or have they been put out to pasture.

Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924107
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I know will never really know there not a press release but if the Sicilians have the power why have competition for a pair of brothers who held high ranks but kept going to jail before they could takeover the thrown.

Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924126
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I would like to see what did the impact of John bambino's have on the Sicilians influence, we all know, when you don't share power it leads to problems


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Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924127
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Gambino death


"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924128
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Yeah like who will replace john gambino as capo ?

Re: Gotti with Jojo & Jackie [Re: Tonytough] #924134
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Don't forget gene Gotti comes out next year, he might be considered the leader of the non-Sicilian faction


"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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