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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski? [Re: dsd] #919097
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Is a great book full of bullshit. Why would the nyc bosses have a irish union official doing double duty as a hitman. He was already near hoffa in 1972 when gallo was hit anyway that blog guy thom l jones wrote a great peace on joeys murder. The guy luperilli called Joseph yacovelli o and sonny pinto and a group of guys from the genovese and colombo families took him out. So you lie about that hit hes lying about the rest. I thought netflix gave marty like 100 mill to make the movie i think thats a go. Hoffa was also killed by the genovese i believe tony pro ect.

Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski? [Re: pmac] #919107
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I believe Sheeran is on the level..I tried after 3 reads to find fault but 2 no avail..it all makes sense & sounds on the money,I also think Sheeran is the " big Irishman" Bruno sent down 2 Atlantic City in the snafu w/ Scarfo & comp.


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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski? [Re: dsd] #919121
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As a rule Italians don't like using others to do there work , including Bruno he would no make drug guys but he would keep them close as associates to the family so another family would not get them.

That applies to Bruno sending him to do a hit on Nick , there always a chance he was sending a message.

But the rumors were flying around that time of some Irishman in the neighborhood and if I not mistaken there was also a problem with a guy Phil had a beef with around the same time those guys were half ass gangsters turn bikers from the Chelsea area .

But Italians like to use Italians.

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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski? [Re: dsd] #919122
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He was on tv during the senate hearings in the 60tys hes way to high profile to do hits at 2 in the morning in a place he didnt grow up with. The killers were born n raised n that neighborhood. Wasnt that guy frank born in another state. Great book but its fiction.

Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski? [Re: Moe_Tilden] #919151
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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Would have been better if that ugly dwarf De Vito didn't write his character as a tough guy in it.


The worst part about DeVito's fictional character "Bobby Ciaro" is that he's loyal to Hoffa to the very end. Nobody was loyal to Hoffa to the very end, except maybe his immediate family. Even his foster son, Chuckie O' Brien, was likely in on his murder.

Bobby Ciaro would have been more plausible if it were him that who shoots Hoffa at the end, or if he's involved in setting him up. In that case, he could have been based on Rolland McMaster, Hoffa's Teamster muscle man who eventually turns on him, O 'Brien, or a combination of both. Neither of these two are portrayed in the film, while both played pivotal roles in Hoffa's life, and possibly his death.


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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski? [Re: dsd] #919153
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Originally Posted By: dsd
I can't remember but in the devito/ Nicholson HOFFA biopic who did the film say was behind the disappearance / murder?

If memory serves me,the final scenes are Hoffa pulling away from the restaurant. This scenario seems to be the truth according to all versions I've read.

Tony Pro and/or some Detroit guy called Giacolone (??) being responsible was the version i first read.

But what did the Hoffa film say?

Haven't seen the movie in 20 odd years but it was a goodish film, had to watch it a couple of times to appreciate it though


The character who goes by "D' Allesandro" (Armand Assante) is based on both "Tony Pro" Provenzano, the Jersey Genovese Teamster boss, and Anthony Giacalone of Detroit.


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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski? [Re: dsd] #938486
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski? [Re: dsd] #938494
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my opinion, he was around ,did some work, but not hoffa, or any other high profile people he said..think he just wanted to be famous after his death.

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