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Re: Shootings in York Region (n. of Toronto) in 2017 [Re: antimafia] #918737
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The article to which I've linked below does not indicate to which shooting in Vaughan this morning's arrest in Waterloo, Ontario is related. Waterloo is about 1 hour, 20 minutes from Vaughan.

York Regional Police make arrest in Vaughan shooting investigation: source

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/75...igation-source/

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Originally Posted By: antimafia
The article to which I've linked below does not indicate to which shooting in Vaughan this morning's arrest in Waterloo, Ontario is related. Waterloo is about 1 hour, 20 minutes from Vaughan.

York Regional Police make arrest in Vaughan shooting investigation: source

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/75...igation-source/


Update: Not of interest to those of us following this thread.

Police charge 8 people with drug, firearm offences in Vaughan

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/75...ces-in-vaughan/

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Thanks for the info.
I guess they still haven't released the identity of the other 40 year old person that was shot and survived.


A just-published article--link is below--reveals that Saverio Serrano was the victim. It also indicates that Saverio and Silvio Serrano are in fact Diego Serrano's sons, which I guessed at but was never able to confirm.


Their old man is a major player with strong links to Calabria. Sad the girl was killed.


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Re: Shootings in York Region (n. of Toronto) in 2017 [Re: antimafia] #919140
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Based on what the neighbours told the reporter about the approximate age of the couple living there, the residence may belong to Paolo Cun trera.

The DOB for Paolo Cun trera that I have seen in various places is December 16, 1939. He would be 77 now. He would turn 78 later this year.

Paolo is the father of Giuseppe "Little Joe" Cun trera and the uncle of Giuseppe "Big Joe" Cun trera (who is a cousin to Alfonso Caruana).


The Cun-treras in Woodbridge, just north of Toronto, are under attack. Why?

Police probing fire at Woodbridge home where shots were fired earlier this month

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2017/...this-month.html

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Re: Shootings in York Region (n. of Toronto) in 2017 [Re: antimafia] #919163
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Based on what the neighbours told the reporter about the approximate age of the couple living there, the residence may belong to Paolo Cun trera.



The DOB for Paolo Cun trera that I have seen in various places is December 16, 1939. He would be 77 now. He would turn 78 later this year.

Paolo is the father of Giuseppe "Little Joe" Cun trera and the uncle of Giuseppe "Big Joe" Cun trera (who is a cousin to Alfonso Caruana).


The Cun-treras in Woodbridge, just north of Toronto, are under attack. Why?

Police probing fire at Woodbridge home where shots were fired earlier this month

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2017/...this-month.html


Whoever it is obviously wants to control the drug markets in Ontario and must be a powerful clan(s) or gang(s).It will be interesting to know who it is ? The possibilities are many.... bikers, MTL mafia,Ndrangheta clan, Wolfpack gangs.

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There are not many groups who dare to attack the Caruana-Cun trera family.


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There are not many groups who dare to attack the Caruana-Cun trera family.


Somebody has obviously taken that path and have listed certain possibilities. I could of easily added more.

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Originally Posted By: Ciment
Whoever it is obviously wants to control the drug markets in Ontario and must be a powerful clan(s) or gang(s).It will be interesting to know who it is ? The possibilities are many.... bikers, MTL mafia,Ndrangheta clan, Wolfpack gangs.


probably the ndrangheta, i think that the caruana-c untrera's ordered the murderes of several calabrians (calautti, verduci, sergi, triumbari) to revenge agostino c untrera, there is probably a war between the siderno group and the caruana-c untrera's

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Is that book "Bloodlines" by Lamothe and Nicaso any good? It covers the C.untera-Caruana gang.

Also, is Alfonso Caruana getting out soon or did he end up getting extradited to Italy?


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Originally Posted By: Stubbs
Is that book "Bloodlines" by Lamothe and Nicaso any good? It covers the C.untera-Caruana gang.

Also, is Alfonso Caruana getting out soon or did he end up getting extradited to Italy?


He's serving time on Sardinia. Last week there was another verdict.

He is 71 years old but still a person with a high risk of recurrence . For this reason, despite his advanced age, Alfonso Caruana, who was suggested by investigators as head of the Cun trera mafia family and nicknamed "the boss of two worlds", must Remain in custody. The Turin Judicial Tribunal established it with a decision confirmed by the Supreme Court.


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Originally Posted By: Stubbs
Is that book "Bloodlines" by Lamothe and Nicaso any good? It covers the C.untera-Caruana gang.

Also, is Alfonso Caruana getting out soon or did he end up getting extradited to Italy?


I enjoyed reading the book. It is a good book to have if you are interested in the Cun-trera/Caruana clan.

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Whoever it is obviously wants to control the drug markets in Ontario and must be a powerful clan(s) or gang(s).It will be interesting to know who it is ? The possibilities are many.... bikers, MTL mafia,Ndrangheta clan, Wolfpack gangs.


probably the ndrangheta, i think that the caruana-c untrera's ordered the murderes of several calabrians (calautti, verduci, sergi, triumbari) to revenge agostino c untrera, there is probably a war between the siderno group and the caruana-c untrera's


It is a possible theory among others. When Verduci was killed it was reported that there were two Ndrangheta clans that were having a fall out. It was alleged that one of them had close ties with the Cun-trera/Caruana clan.

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Originally Posted By: Stubbs
Is that book "Bloodlines" by Lamothe and Nicaso any good? It covers the C.untera-Caruana gang.

Also, is Alfonso Caruana getting out soon or did he end up getting extradited to Italy?


If you read Italian here is the article on Alfonso.

http://www.lastampa.it/2017/08/24/cronac...C6O/pagina.html

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It is a possible theory among others. When Verduci was killed it was reported that there were two Ndrangheta clans that were having a fall out. It was alleged that one of them had close ties with the Cun-trera/Caruana clan.


That would be the Aquino-Coluccio clan.


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It is a possible theory among others. When Verduci was killed it was reported that there were two Ndrangheta clans that were having a fall out. It was alleged that one of them had close ties with the Cun-trera/Caruana clan.


That would be the Aquino-Coluccio clan.


Yes.

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It is a possible theory among others. When Verduci was killed it was reported that there were two Ndrangheta clans that were having a fall out. It was alleged that one of them had close ties with the Cun-trera/Caruana clan.


That would be the Aquino-Coluccio clan.


This article is dated prior to the Verduci killing.

"When police arrested Mafia fugitive Giuseppe Coluccio in the GTA in 2005, they noted he had ties to the [BadWord] crime family, according to Italian court documents."

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2010/06/30/gta_flavour_to_montreal_mob_doublemurder.html

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The structure of the Siderno Group is very complicated. You have the locali in the GTA with their leaders, but so many ranks it's impossible to figure it out.

https://www.vice.com/sv/article/ppm8gb/rules-regulations-and-blood-rituals-0000504-v21n11


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Originally Posted By: Ciment
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It is a possible theory among others. When Verduci was killed it was reported that there were two Ndrangheta clans that were having a fall out. It was alleged that one of them had close ties with the Cun-trera/Caruana clan.


That would be the Aquino-Coluccio clan.


Yes.


There is also more information of their ties/alliance mentioned in the book Business or Blood page 117.

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Originally Posted By: Hollander
The structure of the Siderno Group is very complicated. You have the locali in the GTA with their leaders, but so many ranks it's impossible to figure it out.

https://www.vice.com/sv/article/ppm8gb/rules-regulations-and-blood-rituals-0000504-v21n11


Agree, their structure is more complicated than other organized crime groups.

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I wouldn't rule out an internal feud, like we see in Montreal. But the stakes in Ontario are much higher there are the investments.


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I wouldn't rule out an internal feud, like we see in Montreal. But the stakes in Ontario are much higher there are the investments.


If there is an internal war coupled with Peter Edwards theory that the Rizzuto's have formed an alliance with the Wolfpack gang. We may see a protracted war because both sides are well funded.

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I wouldn't rule out an internal feud, like we see in Montreal. But the stakes in Ontario are much higher there are the investments.


If there is an internal war coupled with Peter Edwards theory that the Rizzuto's have formed an alliance with the Wolfpack gang. We may see a protracted war because both sides are well funded.


The Rizzutos and Cun treras could be on the same side.


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I also wonder about the attacks on the Musitanos. The Musitanos and Papalias have family members in Australia who are part of the Siderno Group down under.


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I wouldn't rule out an internal feud, like we see in Montreal. But the stakes in Ontario are much higher there are the investments.


If there is an internal war coupled with Peter Edwards theory that the Rizzuto's have formed an alliance with the Wolfpack gang. We may see a protracted war because both sides are well funded.


The Rizzutos and Cun treras could be on the same side.


It is still too early to tell and based on speculation that these theories hold true it would explain many of the incidences that have been happening but again it is just speculation at this time.

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It's confusing, don't forget the bust of the three York groups in 2015 headed by:
Giuseppe Nesci
Giuseppe Ursino
Diego Serrano


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It's confusing, don't forget the bust of the three York groups in 2015 headed by:
Giuseppe Nesci
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Diego Serrano


Verduci was part of that group. The following article makes a connection between Sergi and Serrano and may bolster the two warring Ontario clans theory previously mentioned.


https://www.pressreader.com/canada/the-globe-and-mail-metro-ontario-edition/20170818/281509341299214

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One of my Twitter followers provided a link to a one-page document that was part of the minutes of a Vaughan City Council meeting--a Joe Cun-trera living at 96 Mellings Drive wrote a complaint letter and submitted it, which meant he wasn't necessarily at the meeting. Here's the link:

https://www.vaughan.ca/council/minutes_agendas/Communications/WS%200520_14_C1.pdf

The Canada411.ca site (white pages) shows someone else living at the above address--see http://www.canada411.ca/search/?stype=si&what=A+Piruzza&where=Woodbridge+ON.

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Thanks Ciment, did you guys hear anything lately about Serrano's mentor the Colombian Bernardo Arcila Londoño?

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