Hey fellas.. so im wondering with the Philly fam at as close to tull strength since pre Scarfo where the Newark faction fits in and who's active in their crew?

Is Scoops still the official capo or is Fazzini the acting or crew boss on a day to day basis?

Anyone have an idea of who the soldiers and or associates are currently? I recall some knowledgeable posters and i believe Scott Burnstein writing that the most recent making ceremony was 3-4 NJ members..do i have that right?

Also wondering if the current NJ faction is still involved witn bookmaking and shylocking with other Crews from NY? I also recall them havin some joint operations with the Luccheses wondering if thats still the case or if they have any other NY connection specifically with the Newark philly crew...Im aware obv of Skinny Joeys latest bust w Parello and Onofrio from the Genovese

Sorry for all the ?s been off the boards for a minute my kids been real sick, but had all these philly/newark faction questions that tickled the ole curiosity bone....hope yall are doing well and as always appreciate any responses

They're a big bookmaking operation. Joe Grande was sent up to Newark to be in that crew to test his loyalty to the new regime.

Yes,but I dont think they're nearly as big as the days when funzi & tony bananas were fighting over it..isnt newark a shithole,as well as trenton?

Joe Licata is still in trouble, but not in hot water anymore and is still the official Capo of the crew for the time being. Joe Grande is acting capo of the crew, he is back and forth between Philly and Newark, that is why there are people saying he has a crew in Philly. As DM said, Grande is being tested on his loyalty to the family administration. My count is six made members, one possible, 5 transfers since 2005 into different crews, and 4 have died since 2000.

I found a HD image of the philly family chart in 2016 with capo,soldiers and associates. The north Jersey had as Giacomo said 6 made men and 11 associates.

They operate mainly in the Newark Italian suburbs. (Bloomfield, Belleville, Nutley, Caldwell, East Hanover, etc) that area. It's also mainly into gambling, sports betting to be specific. Scoops is the capo and he has the operation on cruise control. Fazzini is his main day to day guy that is like a "street boss" of that crew.

Giacomo, where do you get your information from? Honestly, it's mindboggling to me how nobody here seems to question your shit, when you have a reputation for fabricating about 95% of your posts. So I ask again, where do you get your information from?

Anyway SinatraClub, if blackhand forum members made this chart mean that is accurate: list 6 made men and 11 associates.

@Giacomo- What do you mean by "Licata is still in trouble, but not in hot water anymore..."? I wasn't under the impression that Licata was ever on bad terms with Merlino/Ligambi/Philly Admin? I agree that Joe Grande was in fact in a bit of "hot water" to use your phrase, and was furthermore sent to be with the Newark Crew to make sure he was in-line with the current Admin, etc. However, that said, I would question as to whether he is the Acting Capo of the North Jersey Crew. If anything Licata is the official with Lou Fazzini being the Acting Capo or day-to-day Street Boss.

I've heard often that Joe Grande was in hot water or sent to Newark as a test. Any more reasoning behind it other than Wayne Grande being a rat? Never really got the full story behind it.

How much hot water could a guy be in after doing 25 yrs for the life. His brother rated but they still inducted the rats son his nephew. He went with merlino to nyc to see the genovese. But someone did have a fbi file were one of the pungs wanted uncle joe to do something about joe grande. Wasnt there father also a member.

If they didnt like the guy why induct his nephew and his father rolled thats a lcn first. Just cause he was still friends with scarfo sr n jr .

Come on, Really ? You don't know Giacomo ? He's acting boss of The Gambinos ,He filled in for Cali while he's on holiday in Castellamare del Golfo ! I'm acting boss of the Westside filling in for Bellomo while he is in Sicily meeting with Cali ! We just had a commission meeting last weekend in Detroit ! First one in over a decade

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Yea it has zero to do with his brother considering Wayne's son is a trusted guy and got his button. Like pmac said he did a quarter for this family. Skinnys uncle is a rat and left his family behind. Or maybe they decided not to go not sure. When you got real blood families having multiple guys in the life it's always gonna be a possibility of one of them going bad. So u cut off the other stand up guys? Nah. In jersey tommy ricciardi who was a stone cold killer and related to both the taccetta and the pernas and told on both. So you're gonna hold that against the t's and p's who bleed the life. Nah if he's in any type of hot water it ain't cuz of his brother. More likely as other guys said about proving loyalty to the younger guys in charge. And giacomo I don't even bother questioning you on your shit because it's obvious you're talking out of your ass 99% of the time. But when it comes to jersey which I highly doubt u know anything about and myself and other jersey guys do, not from a book or an FBI report(no offense to guys who do their research that way I just don't and get ü info from what I hear around the way because that's all I know and don't speak on anything but that most of the time) like enough is enough. No one takes you serious and yet u still come on here talking that bullshit. Get a new hobby cuz. I don't even post here much anymore because there seems to be more know it alls then there used to be. If it dknt apply let it fly:

Oh,..I do question, but to keep peace ,I keep shut..

I was originally asking what he meant by Licata being in hot water (not Joe Grande). I agree that Joe Grande is, or at least was, in fact in hot water hence why he was sent up to Newark to be under the supervision of Licata and his Crew. But I never was aware of Joe Licata being in any sort of trouble or "in hot water". Joe Grande's situation for being on thin ice with the Philly Admin/Ligambi/Merlino and the reason for him being sent up to Newark doesn't have to do with Wayne Grande ratting in jail. Instead, it's for his continued allegiance to Scarfo Sr even up until the point of being released a few years ago (he was released around 2012 I believe), which is why Scarfo Jr went as far as to reach out to him during his short lived attempted coup (attempted takeover where he reached out to Joe Chang Jr who is retired and crippled as well) of the Philly Family. Joe Pung always disliked the Grande brothers because of their scheming and backstabbing and gossiping behavior especially Wayne Grande, but Joe Grande as well. As a result of this continuous beef between Joe Pung and The Grande's, Joe Pung was quick to point out to Ligambi before he and Joe Grande were released from prison around the same time (~2012) that Joe Grande was still in fact loyal to the Scarfos and still kept regular dialog with both Scarfo Sr and Jr and furthermore informed Ligambi that Joe Grande still recognized Scarfo Sr as the Boss of Philly instead of Ligambi/Merlino. As another sign of loyalty to the current Admin (Ligambi/Merlino), Joe Pung went as far as actually reaching out to Ligambi towards the end of his prison stretch for permission to kill Joe Grande upon them both being released from prison. As mentioned earlier in this post, Pung knows how to play LCN politics. He hates the Grande's because he knows they were one of the main sources of chatter and gossip in Scarfo's ear when they (Chucky, etc) were busting on Salvie Testa leading up to him being killed because the Grande's wanted to move up and move-in on Salvie's rackets. Wayne Grande especially would be an asshole to Joe Pung about it and give Joe Pung shit about him setting up his best friend Salvie despite Joe Pung clearly not having a choice (he apparently would go into Joe Pung's bar on 15th & Wolf and put on the song "That's what friends are for" on the jukebox while Joe Pung was there just to be a prick. Leonetti also mentioned in his book how Wayne and Joe Grande were spreading lies about Joe Pung and even doing shit like whispering in people's ears while looking at Pung giving the impression that they and who ever they were whispering to were talking about Joe Pung. Little girl shit. As a side note, one of the reasons Wayne Grande didn't like Joe Pung besides sheer jealously, which he was a very jealous guy apparently, was because Wayne Grande felt slighted by Joe Pung when Wayne went away for a year or so on a contempt charge and he claimed that Joe Pung wasn't giving any or enough money to his wife/family to support themselves while he was away (they were partners in a bookmaking operation). So anyways, with all that baggage and ill will towards each other, Joe Pung swore to Leonetti that he'd have it out for the Grande's upon them getting out of jail. So as mentioned, Joe Pung being a master of LCN politics, killed two birds with one stone by seeking his revenge on Joe Grande (Wayne was already a rat at this point just leaving Joe Grande to deal with) while also proving his loyalty to the new Admin (Ligambi/Merlino) by saying "hey I support you and I'm on board with the new Admin, but Joe Grande is a Scarfo loyalist and will be a problem for you. I think we should just kill him". It ended with Ligambi acknowledging Pung's request, but stopping short of killing him and instead sending him to the Newark Crew at the suggestion to Joe Licata who stepped up for Joe Grande and asked Ligambi to give Grande a chance and send him to Newark where he could get Grande on board with the new Admin while keeping an eye on him in the Newark crew. So far it seems to be working as I haven't heard anything since all this came out to say otherwise. The details of all this with Joe Pung-Grande beef and Licata sticking up for Grande and having him sent up to Newark can be found in the Lou Fizzini Detention Memo from the last big RICO trial. I will find it again and post the link as it's a very interesting read and has a lot of good stuff in it, which anyone who is interested in Philly should read. It also lays out most of the stuff I'm talking about in this post. Sorry for the long post though!

^^^^^^ Right on Phi-Mob ^^^^^^

There is more to it and why he was behind Nicksr. being boss , there are or will be , some recordings or court transcripts ,that are or will be coming out "that a few of the families were behind Nick being boss up until (2010) possibly more or less,and it's possible we will find out that a few of the attempts on Skinny and others will be clarified finally. Also the attempted murders of the top three in Philly was a branch of this.

There are some that thought that the Philly administration would have been taken down or out and were quietly standing behind the old administration, and I believe that if not for the total collapse of the commission in and after all this it would of happened.

And I know that quite a few guys in Philly were waiting for this to go down , guys that just would not do it them selfs. And there is a possibility that they were away for some of it or most of it. But not everyone is content with the boss .

And if not for many of the old guys in N.Y. passing away and others doing life and are just not powerful at all any longer things may have been different.

There is always a chance that the Philly administration knows this and has been working at it for a very long time as per Skinny getting close with the Luke's and Amuso losing power.

We will find out , someone will flip and write a book .

It has to do with the Nicky Skins tapes. Scoops said their was an informant within the Philadelphia family, and pointed his finger at a top guy close to uncle Joe. He got the ball rolling, but the hit was never carried out cause Nicky Skins was outed as an informant. Don't know who the top guy is, as his name is never mentioned. Licata also made Phil Narducci and George Borgesi angry over his mouth.

Giacomo
Are you saying scoops has been in trouble because " on the skins tape", he was calling someone close to Ligambi an informant and it turns out the guy was never an informant?
In other words, he was almost killed because of scoops?
Also, when you say he is still in trouble, he was kind of demoted?

I forgot didtn licata got to trial with joe. How made could you be at him he was sitting next to him for 2 months. And was aquitted together. Probaly water under the bridge by now.

No, it was before the revelation of the skin tapes, when Philly mobsters, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island mobsters were being arrested. It correlated with members who had dealings with the Philadelphia administration. Once Skins was revealed to be the informant, the hit stopped. Licata is still the official Capo of the crew. Joe is acting, Lou is handling most of the action for the Philadelphia family in Newark. I would not be surprised if Licata retires. I think a lot of people forgot about the G.F. incident right before the outbreak of civil war in the 1990's. Chase for the Soprano show part of it between, Paulie, Johnny Sac, and Ralphie.

Sorry what's the G.F. incident?

George Freselone.

Remember reading the few wiretaps they released from scoops and nick skins he was rite Bout alot of stuff. He was meeting with john gambino which i think is a big deal in the lcn world even thou hes just a accomplished herion kingpin against all american rules. But still kinda royalty. Nicky skins was all over with that wire hes up boston talking to big cheese brother about the strip clubs all over new england.

thanx phl mob.....nice. As u said mucho times b4..

Guys thanks so much for all the responses... so the consensus is that Scoops is still firmly in charge and that Big Lou Fazzini is the acting day to day manager per se or the crew? Does anyone know more about the extent of this crew with the Luccheses/ Gambinos/Genovese NJ crews in terms of gambling and loan sharking?

Hoodlum my friend I appreciate the kind words from another thread.. sorry to you and anyone else if I haven't answered you guys in here been crazy busy with my little girl being real sick

Mikey, I hope it's not serious, she get's well soon, I will say a prayer @ Mass on Sunday,as well as keep her in my daily prayer.

Does anyone know anything about Mousie's kid (Joe Jr)'s recent bust? Whats his deal, Philly LCN or not? I don't see him on any charts but read about him in Scott's recent article.

He's a junkie. Poss of Meth and heroin and some guns.. he's younger so prolly have his button in 10 years