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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #898992
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Oak has plenty of theories as to why Trump shouldn't be President, but I have yet to see him put forth one single theory as to why Hillary SHOULD be President. Not one.


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Faithful1] #899030
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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
The Weekly Standard makes the case that Jeff Sessions isn't racist: http://www.weeklystandard.com/in-alabama...article/2005461

Even if true there are a still a few problem areas, including his staunch opposition to marijuana legalization and weakening of civil forfeiture laws.


if the states have legalized pot, the government should respect the people's right to the democratic process of the popular vote, if sessions can't deal with that, he should be reminded that the first three words in the U.S. constitution are "WE THE PEOPLE" not I the attorney general.



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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899038
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Definitely federal crackdowns to come with Sessions. All these people who voted for Trump for a change ended up voting for Cheney/Bush Republicans. I'm sure they'll realize this at some point while waiting out there in the cold for Trump to bring manufacturing jobs back.


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I cant wait for all the people who voted for trump thinking they would be better off under him, to finally get the message. NO CHANGE! NOTHING FOR THE BETTER. NO NEW HI-PAYING JOBS.



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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899049
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Binnie what is the attraction for you for Hillary? Because if trump had not won Hillary would have been president. I don't get it I would be very surprised if your not a conservative even as a democrat at our age.

I have respect for people's religion even if I am not religious. I don't like people telling me how to think and what to feel. I don't need anyone trying to tell me what to do I like being in control.

I think live and let live on most issues. Just don't shove the issue in my face if I don't agree with something.

I am a liberal when it comes to people abusing children. If I saw an adult hit a child on the street I would tell the adult to stop it. I don't mean just giving them a smack on the behind to get them to be listen. If they don't I would give the adult a smack in the face to see how they like it. i have done it in the past.

I just feel we should have something in common at our age.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899051
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Well, let's be honest, Binnie. They're going to blame Obama.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899111
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I cant wait for all the people who voted for trump thinking they would be better off under him, to finally get the message. NO CHANGE! NOTHING FOR THE BETTER. NO NEW HI-PAYING JOBS.


Why, has there been high paying jobs under the Obama administration ? There are still 94 million people unemployed.

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Well, let's be honest, Binnie. They're going to blame Obama.


You did your fair share of blaming Bush, now it's your turn. We could supply the baby pacifiers if you want.

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899118
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As of Saturday, Clinton had received 63,390,669 votes, while Trump received 61,820,845 votes -- a difference of 1,569,824, according to The AP.

Rounded off to whole numbers, that translates to 48 percent vs. 47 percent.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899121
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Trump promised to bring back good paying manufacturing jobs. Obama never did any such thing.

It is really sad what Trump did to these white voters in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio. It should be criminal. It might be the single biggest lie in the history of U.S. presidential campaigns, and it was bought hook, line and sinker. The loss of manufacturing jobs in these regions were devastating. To promise bringing them back is to tease a desperate, confused segment of the population. It's cruel. A false prophet and his desperate believers. That is the story of the Trump presidency, which will hopefully be a quick 4 years.

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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Trump promised to bring back good paying manufacturing jobs. Obama never did any such thing.

It is really sad what Trump did to these white voters in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio. It should be criminal. It might be the single biggest lie in the history of U.S. presidential campaigns, and it was bought hook, line and sinker. The loss of manufacturing jobs in these regions were devastating. To promise bringing them back is to tease a desperate, confused segment of the population. It's cruel. A false prophet and his desperate believers. That is the story of the Trump presidency, which will hopefully be a quick 4 years.


May I remind you that Trump is not yet president and you are already complaining. Give him a chance to prove himself. You can always vote him out in four years time.

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899124
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He is not going to keep his promise of bringing back the union manufacturing jobs. It is impossible. Your argument is like telling people to give him a chance if he'd promised to give everyone unicorns that could fly to outer space. His outlandish promises have already made his presidency a failure. It's already a sure thing.


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You have to learn to relax. I do not want you to get stressed out. Trump will take care of you, don't worry be happy. Go watch the Hamilton show, that ought to put you in a good mood or better still Soros is offering protesting jobs; that will take all that frustration out.

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He can't afford to get front row for any show on Broadway.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: olivant] #899128
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Originally Posted By: olivant
As of Saturday, Clinton had received 63,390,669 votes, while Trump received 61,820,845 votes -- a difference of 1,569,824, according to The AP.

Rounded off to whole numbers, that translates to 48 percent vs. 47 percent.


How many dead people voted for Hillary?


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Good point even with the dead people voting, they couldn't beat Trump in the electoral votes.

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899132
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Popular votes means nothing. The DNC(socialist party) is now a regional party and they will continue in decline.

Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Footreads] #899157
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Originally Posted By: Footreads
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As of Saturday, Clinton had received 63,390,669 votes, while Trump received 61,820,845 votes -- a difference of 1,569,824, according to The AP.

Rounded off to whole numbers, that translates to 48 percent vs. 47 percent.


How many dead people voted for Hillary?


foots, we do have something in common, we are old I'm 75, and I'm not for Hillary, but against the reps who want to take away my social security, and medi-care.



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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899161
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I am around your age as you know. I heard trump he will do nothing that would effect social security. Did Obama give a cost of living increase I don't think he did.

I think obama care would have effect on SS in the future. If trump had not won.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #899162
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Lots of Wall Street guys among Trump's list for financial regulatory positions. Won't bode well for SS.


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weed nowadays is chemically induced so it's more potent

medical weed is so strong that it should be criminal

some medical weed smokes like it's laced.....a scary high


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trump is going to be a disaster

some fuck with a mail-order-bride for a wife shouldn't be president

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Cook did you see trump's wife smile

There is a show on tv now about mail order brides. For some reason my wife watches them the girl from Russia are much better looking then their perspective American husbands.

But evidently they have no idea how people with money live here. They hooked poor very low middle class men that have no money to speak of it's pretty funny.

At least his wife got the right guy.


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Speaking of tv shows I kind of like the two shows about guys in Alaska.

One family wanted to stock up on fish for the winter. They all go fishing, but the elder made sure they all knew where his rifle was in case a bear showed up while they are doing it. smile

I say buy the fucking fish.


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
And, again, the popular vote certainly wouldn't suggest that the country rejects Obama's legacy. If Trump were to surpass Obama's numbers in more than just two swing states, I might believe something like that. But the numbers just don't back it up. Trump won a popularity contest with Hillary Clinton in states like Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania, nothing more. And Trump would get destroyed by Barack Obama in an election.


The electoral college isn't going anywhere. You need two thirds of the senate and 3/4ths of the states. Most of the country's electorate is republican at the state level (33/34 out of 50 governors, 67 of 98 state house and senate chambers) and now at the federal level. Plus the 2018 midterm election map is really bad for the Democrats.

The only states with firm democratic control are in places like New York, Mass, and California. The ONLY reason HIllary is winning the popular vote is because she is running up the score in those places.

I think its really hypocritical for the Democrats to now be crying about the electoral college when anyone who is anyone in politics has been saying since 08 the electoral map favors democrats. Of course, those same commentators never predicted that States like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania where republicans haven't won since the 80's would go for a republican.

As far as Obama, he was an excellent once in a lifetime candidate. He is the exception to the rule, not the rule. The democrats will not be able to come up with a candidate like him for a long time. That is not to say that they won't be able to win elections, it just won't be easy to duplicate what he did.

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The electoral college isn't going anywhere. You need two thirds of the senate and 3/4ths of the states.


Two thirds of the Congress ... or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
He is not going to keep his promise of bringing back the union manufacturing jobs. It is impossible. Your argument is like telling people to give him a chance if he'd promised to give everyone unicorns that could fly to outer space. His outlandish promises have already made his presidency a failure. It's already a sure thing.
Nobody is naive enough to believe he is going to revive the Union jobs. The Unions are bad for business. That is why most major corporations located in Union areas adopted the so called "Southern Strategy". Let me tell you, it was a great move. Cost of living is low. Moral is high. Created thousands of jobs in my area for hard working law abiding people. Only downside.....we have to put up with Yankees that move down here to work. But I have found out surprisingly, they are just like Southerners without the funny accent. They just want to work to support their families. I admire them.

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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Trump promised to bring back good paying manufacturing jobs. Obama never did any such thing.

It is really sad what Trump did to these white voters in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio. It should be criminal. It might be the single biggest lie in the history of U.S. presidential campaigns, and it was bought hook, line and sinker. The loss of manufacturing jobs in these regions were devastating. To promise bringing them back is to tease a desperate, confused segment of the population. It's cruel. A false prophet and his desperate believers. That is the story of the Trump presidency, which will hopefully be a quick 4 years.


A false prophet? Promising Hope and Change to the American People with no real governing experience? Who are you talking about here Obama or Trump. It's the same really. You guys got roped in by Obama and name 3 things that he has done to bring about Hope and Change? We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years and a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Their cracking up thinking about how America is debating about males having the right to use females bathrooms. Y'all voted for Obama in 08 and 12. I didn't protest or burn the American flag or kneel for the National Anthem because I didn't get my may. Y'all voted for Obama, we have just as much right to be as stupid as y'all were and vote for Trump. You can only poke a bear so many times before you get mauled. "Insert picture of here of a ferocious looking Trump with Bear Claws"

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Originally Posted By: fatdomgamiello36
The only states with firm democratic control are in places like New York, Mass, and California.


Where all of the people are. Go figure. All the more reason to put an end to the EC. At one time it served the purpose of giving the little farmer in the middle of nowhere a say, but today it's more often used to keep control in the hands of a group that doesn't come close to representing the majority of the country anymore, white male Christians.


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That is why most major corporations located in Union areas adopted the so called "Southern Strategy".


Big businesses locate wherever the labor is the cheapest and most abundant, in other words, where people are the most depraved and desperate. That's probably where the south comes in. The big businesses do not see the people living in these regions as actual people, they see them as a commodity. A cheap one. All that would stop companies from this exploitative tactic is unions.

As far as the rust belt states not believing Trump is going to bring back the good paying, full time manufacturing jobs (which don't exist without unions), you might want to reexamine some of his campaign promises.


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We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years


No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it.


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