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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900198
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Trump "saved" those jobs by having Pence (Indiana governor, in case anyone forgot) strike a deal with Carrier that will have the Indiana tax payers subsidize the labor cost of keeping the jobs here.

If that sort of tax payer subsidization of jobs sounds familiar to you, it's called socialism. Carrier jobs are basically government jobs now. Trump might not be so bad after all. I told you guys he resembled Castro more than any president ever. I just meant his personality. His economic policies might, too.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: SoCalGangs] #900199
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I agree with you that the Fed has done a lot of damage & that
Trump can't fix it all but he will steer the economy back on the right track. Trump never said that he was a protectionist when it comes to trade. What he said is that he wants to renegotiate trade deals to be fair. He wants fair bi-lateral deals. All I know is that the present administration had no clue how to run a country and that Hillary was going to continue on the same path.

Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900200
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So far he's only used socialism to save jobs. Let's see if this trend continues. Fidel's idea lives on.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: OakAsFan] #900201
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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
So far he's only used socialism to save jobs. Let's see if this trend continues. Fidel's idea lives on.


That is called an offer you can't refuse.

Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900202
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It's called giving a company tax payer money to prevent them from leaving, enough to reimburse them for what they'd lose in labor cost. Carrier sacrifices nothing. It was Carrier that made the offer Trump couldn't refuse. Trump, Pence, and the Indiana tax payers got played.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900203
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You know how I know Oak can't be more then 15 yrs old.

I notice the same thing on some of the soccer sites I am on.

Kids have to answer every post on threads they are on. It is the sign of a kid.


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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900204
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yes, oak, but the public perception is that he's saving jobs from leaving the country........ and that can't do anything but benefit him. [trump]



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900205
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Everyone thought Rick Perry was a good governor because he made Texas business friendly by lowering taxes for people bring their business to Texas.

Trump is getting businesses to stay in the US. Also for investors to open up new businesses here in the US.

That puts US citizens back to work.

He is going to go down as a great president for the working man.

There was a soccer product that was short lived here in the US.

I am seriously thinking of buying the rights to it and manufacturing it here in the US.

Very cheap to make and it is not really necessary for soccer players. But with the right promotion parents would buy it for their kids because they don't know it is not needed.

Because unless you played the game it seems like something they would need.

I will say it's not a helmet or a head band.


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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900206
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I agree, Binnnie, people are too uniformed to understand what Trump did with Carrier. We're seeing that here. If Obama did the same there would be an outrage. Trump turned Carrier into a government job. Oh well. In the long run, it works out for everyone. We're seeing that Trump's plan to be a successful Republican president is to govern as a Democrat.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900208
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yes, oak, he has a great opportunity to do good things, hopefully he will stop paul ryan and other reactionaries from gutting,S.S. medicare, and medicade, they seem intent on doing just that. if he can stop them from making drastic changes, he will become very, very popular.



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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #900209
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Heck yeah. Before he even takes office, he turns Carrier AC into a government job. Not sure how fiscal conservatives in Indiana feel about the tax payer getting that tab, though.


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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: OakAsFan] #900212
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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
It's called giving a company tax payer money to prevent them from leaving, enough to reimburse them for what they'd lose in labor cost. Carrier sacrifices nothing. It was Carrier that made the offer Trump couldn't refuse. Trump, Pence, and the Indiana tax payers got played.


Wonder why Obama didn't think of that in 8 years? And its more than likely Carrier's parent company United Technologies knows their biggest customer is the Pentagon and Trump put them in their place. Grabbed Carrier and United Technologies by the Pussy. Move to Mexico and put Americans out of work to save 65 million a year? Go ahead. We will take our 10 percent of your 56 billion dollar company and go elsewhere. Merica. You gotta be a man. Grab these big corporations by the pussy. Let them know whose boss. the opposite a weak whiny little socialist liberal would do.Which is nothing but bitch about things with no solution at all.

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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: OakAsFan] #900220
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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I agree, Binnnie, people are too uniformed to understand what Trump did with Carrier. We're seeing that here. If Obama did the same there would be an outrage. Trump turned Carrier into a government job. Oh well. In the long run, it works out for everyone. We're seeing that Trump's plan to be a successful Republican president is to govern as a Democrat.


Obama did far worse:
-he went after the Catholic nuns
-he had the IRS go after the Tea party
-they went after FOX journalist Rosen, who is a well respected man
-went after Christians faith
-abused his power with executive orders
-ignored the laws on immigration issues
-lied to the american people on the Iran deal
-his administration broke the law on the fast and furious gun policy
-lied on Benghazi

I can go on and on and you say people are misinformed.
No people are fed up with this shit.

Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ... [Re: furio_from_naples] #902047
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It's difficult, USA needs to examine its foreign policy and become a bit more benign, however it wasn't (and can't) allow others to become more dominant. It also needs to focus internally on the disparity between rich and poor and rethink the extreme version of capatalism it promotes.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day, give a man a rod and he'll feed himself. Alternatively, stop posioning the waters and don't abduct a black guy's great great grandfather into slavery and turn up 200 years later,on your gap year, talking shit about poverty and pollution

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