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Re: News
[Re: OakAsFan]
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11/13/16 05:31 PM
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Moe_Tilden
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Fear of violence from "the others" is also a strategy historically used by fascist governments. I think the fear is somewhat justified when men, women, children and even babies in prams get mowed down on a promenade when they are enjoying a festival. You do remember the Bastille Day attacks in Nice, right? That attack on a music concert in Paris? The slaughterings that happened over a freaking cartoon in a satirical magazine? That's just the last year or so in France. Sweden's crime rates have soared through the roof almost exclusively thanks to these cockroaches. That's public domain, not propaganda.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: News
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11/13/16 05:45 PM
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gangstereport
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she wont win another election her popularity is at a all time low the Syrian migrant crisis really damaged her. local elections they have done shit recently Merkels power and influence all over Europe. As for liberal leaders in Europe Renzi is the last real liberal and who I consider a real believer in the EU he wont be in power this time next year when he loses his referendum he is gone. And you guys who think Trump is bad you have not seen LePen and she has a real chance of winning because Hollande is probably one of the worst French leaders ever most of the country hate him
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Re: News
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11/14/16 01:40 PM
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Trump the outsider, huh? If you look at who helped form his list for potential SCOTUS appointments, it's like George W. Bush is getting a 3rd term. "At the same time, Mr. Trump’s candidates are, unsurprisingly, committed judicial conservatives. Mr. Trump credited two leading conservative policy groups — the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society — with helping to draw up his list." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/pol...nfront&_r=0
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: News
[Re: OakAsFan]
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11/14/16 02:17 PM
11/14/16 02:17 PM
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It wasn't just campaign talk. In an interview that airs on 60 Minutes tonight, Trump promises to deport 2 to 3 million undocumented immigrants the second he takes office. The Hitler comparisons looking more and more validated. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...1113-story.htmlRemember that when Obama took office, the first thing he did was close Gitmo (or at least try to). The first thing Trump is going to do is send 3 million people to impoverished, war torn, crime ridden hells. Tell me again how there's no difference between the two parties. Another flaming, stupid and offensive comment from Oak. Immediately play the Hitler card. I hate it when "people" (I use the word loosely) automatically go full Argumentum ad Hitlerum and violate Godwin's Law. It show's they've immediately lost the argument. First, every country in the world has borders and deports those who enter illegally and/or overstay their visas. There's nothing "Hitler-like" about it. People who break laws face consequences. Second, Trump said he would focus on criminal illegal immigrants. That is, those who not only entered illegally, but broke additional laws after entering. So by making your criticism general you omitted that inconvenient fact. " What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records — gang members, drug dealers — we have a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million. We're getting them out of our country or we're going to incarcerate. But we're getting them out of our country, they're here illegally." (Donald Trump on 60 Minutes, 13 November 2016) Third, President Obama has the record on deportations. That's a fact, yet I don't seem to recall you calling him Hitler. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-tops-its-own-deportation-record/http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...ticle-1.2774180http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/Fourth, I am putting this out in the interest of facts and truth. I've already made it clear that I didn't vote for Trump and didn't think he was going to win. Fifth, on my mother's side I lost many distant relatives in the Holocaust. So there's a personal aspect in it for me. However, I didn't know them. Hitler was a genocidal monster. A valid comparison to Hitler it to someone who has a policy of genocide, meaning a policy to wipe out an entire population. The Turks genocided the Armenians. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had genocides. Rwanda genocided Tutsis. King Leopold of Belgium genocided Congo. The Japanese in Manchuria. Nigeria genocided Biafra. France genocided the Huguenots, etc. Trump has no policy of genocide and not said anything even close to wanting to massacre populations, with the exception of the genocidal monsters ISIS. If Trump ever decides to make a policy of genocide then the comparison will be valid and I'll agree with it, but he hasn't and it's unlikely he ever will.
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Re: News
[Re: OakAsFan]
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11/14/16 02:31 PM
11/14/16 02:31 PM
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Moe_Tilden
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The hateful rhetoric from Trump combined with his extreme mass deportation plans do resemble Hitler. That's just a fact. You're honestly comparing law abiding, hard-working Jews getting gassed in 1940's to these cockroaches? Wow. You do know the people who attacked in France were enabled, protected and harbored by the communities they lived in in Belgium, right? Please don't compare the two things. Their culture encourages mistrust and antipathy towards the West.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: News
[Re: Faithful1]
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11/14/16 02:43 PM
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gangstereport
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It wasn't just campaign talk. In an interview that airs on 60 Minutes tonight, Trump promises to deport 2 to 3 million undocumented immigrants the second he takes office. The Hitler comparisons looking more and more validated. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...1113-story.htmlRemember that when Obama took office, the first thing he did was close Gitmo (or at least try to). The first thing Trump is going to do is send 3 million people to impoverished, war torn, crime ridden hells. Tell me again how there's no difference between the two parties. Another flaming, stupid and offensive comment from Oak. Immediately play the Hitler card. I hate it when "people" (I use the word loosely) automatically go full Argumentum ad Hitlerum and violate Godwin's Law. It show's they've immediately lost the argument. First, every country in the world has borders and deports those who enter illegally and/or overstay their visas. There's nothing "Hitler-like" about it. People who break laws face consequences. Second, Trump said he would focus on criminal illegal immigrants. That is, those who not only entered illegally, but broke additional laws after entering. So by making your criticism general you omitted that inconvenient fact. " What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records — gang members, drug dealers — we have a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million. We're getting them out of our country or we're going to incarcerate. But we're getting them out of our country, they're here illegally." (Donald Trump on 60 Minutes, 13 November 2016) Third, President Obama has the record on deportations. That's a fact, yet I don't seem to recall you calling him Hitler. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-tops-its-own-deportation-record/http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...ticle-1.2774180http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/Fourth, I am putting this out in the interest of facts and truth. I've already made it clear that I didn't vote for Trump and didn't think he was going to win. Fifth, on my mother's side I lost many distant relatives in the Holocaust. So there's a personal aspect in it for me. However, I didn't know them. Hitler was a genocidal monster. A valid comparison to Hitler it to someone who has a policy of genocide, meaning a policy to wipe out an entire population. The Turks genocided the Armenians. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had genocides. Rwanda genocided Tutsis. King Leopold of Belgium genocided Congo. The Japanese in Manchuria. Nigeria genocided Biafra. France genocided the Huguenots, etc. Trump has no policy of genocide and not said anything even close to wanting to massacre populations, with the exception of the genocidal monsters ISIS. If Trump ever decides to make a policy of genocide then the comparison will be valid and I'll agree with it, but he hasn't and it's unlikely he ever will. +1 ridiculous comparison completely faith agree with youthere really is genocide going on in the middle east, Somalia, Libya and South Sudan but people cry about trump lol even some immigration polices of other western countries in the West are worse than the US look at the Swiss and Hungary the stuff I hear is ridiculous problem Is I always find a lot of people in the US forgot the world is bigger than just them even some of its politicians so out of touch with the rest of the world it is ridiculous that is a normal thing aswell what he has suggested deporting foreign criminals most countries do.What I find wrong with Trumps plan is what counts as a criminal a small weed conviction? but I do understand why he is doing it don't completely agree with how he wants do it but the idea in general is not a bad one by no means I am supporting Trump here but give the man a chance and stop making ridiculous comparisons
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Re: News
[Re: gangstereport]
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11/14/16 02:47 PM
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by no means I am supporting Trump here but give the man a chance and stop making ridiculous comparisons
I co-sign that statement 100% I also wasn't a Trump supporter and I'm not American, but who is the president of the US is always very important for everybody in the Western World. The elections are over now and the guy is chosen, so regardless of everyone's personal political convictions, we have to accept the results. The people who are protesting and don't want to accept Trump as president are often the people who say we need more democracy. Seems to me they only want democracy when it fits their agenda. Bad sportsmanship to say the least..
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Re: News
[Re: DuesPaid]
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11/14/16 02:57 PM
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Interesting, gangstereport, that the argument you use to deny Trump's comparisons to Hitler is that he hasn't committed genocide...yet. I'm talking about the comparisons to some of the things Hitler said in his rise to power and some of the things Trump has said, combined with Trump's rather extreme deportation measures. 3 million is a lot of people. If he really tries to do that, it's going to look like Hitler's Germany on the streets of Los Angeles, Fresno, San Jose, Albuquerque, Phoenix, San Antonio, El Paso, etc.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: News
[Re: OakAsFan]
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11/14/16 03:00 PM
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BillyBrizzi
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Interesting, gangstereport, that the argument you use to deny Trump's comparisons to Hitler is that he hasn't committed genocide...yet. I'm talking about the comparisons to some of the things Hitler said in his rise to power and some of the things Trump has said, combined with Trump's rather extreme deportation measures. 3 million is a lot of people. If he really tries to do that, it's going to look like Hitler's Germany on the streets of Los Angeles, Fresno, San Jose, Albuquerque, Phoenix, San Antonio, El Paso, etc. As far as I know Trump is talking about Illegals and criminals.
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Re: News
[Re: OakAsFan]
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11/14/16 03:15 PM
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BillyBrizzi
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He's facing a lawsuit now for Trump university. Having to "accept" the results of an election in a democracy is absurd. Did the GOP congress accept Obama's election? They formed a pact to reject every bill that was part of his agenda. There are plenty of ways to censure a sitting president, perfectly legal ways. Nobody has to accept the results of an election. The whole purpose of a democracy is for the people to have a constant voice, and constant access to government. In that kind of democracy nothing will ever get done and it will ultimately lead to chaos and anarchy.. It's up to them if they want to accept it or not, it's just that it's pretty futile if nothing comes up that is ground for impeachment.
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