^ I would any-day agree that those two are very if not the most powerful groups. However Like I have said before, it's hard to measure organized crime power between different cultures because they are structures differently, operate differently e.t.c. I mean you could say the Italian Mafia revenue annually is bigger than the Mexican cartels revenue but you could also say the Sinaloa Cartel is bigger and more powerful than the top clans of the Calabrian Mafia. It just depends on how you compare them, obviously if you just compare the Sicilian mafia to the whole range of Mexican Cartels, the Mexicans are going to be more powerful. I still hold my opinion there isn't a most powerful organization, just many powerful one's. Does nobody agree with what I'm saying? Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass...

who are considered the 3 most powerful now.... i made this thread 3 years ago, anything change?

The 3 post powerful OC groups in the world today are:

1) US Government
2) Chinese Government
3) Russian Government

I would say the 'Ndrangheta is the most powerful, because they are the only ones I read about that are popping up everywhere.

They are all over Europe, last year they defrauded the international flower auction in Aalsmeer over here in Holland for millions of dollars.

Their presence in North America is also only getting bigger and their connections with the South American cartels are strong, in Mexico but Colombia as well..

europol is not a believable source they copy every year the previous report lol
anyway if you read better it states that domestic criminal groups are the strongest in all western european countries and italian are obviously the most prominent coz they have political connections

Wow a blast from the past.

If you doubt Europol reports than what source for an agency that deals with Organized Crime are you citing? Furthermore I already stated in my previous topic why Nigerian syndicates in my opinion.

nigerians are among the biggest drugs importer among not-european groups, but as i sad domestic groups are the most prominent in drug trafficking and most powerful in general

Whatever you say man.

Mexico has the best products so they have the capacity to be the biggest. But their distribution sucks.

But the Middle East has everything going for it. There distribution connection to get their drugs all over the world is better then Mexico.

They are also the ones who are selling their cheap prescription drugs to individuals here in the US. That is comming from Pakistan. But what they don't have right now is getting their crap to places like Germany. But that can change any day now.

i don't think you know enough of europe to talk about it...nigerians are not the strongest group in europe as you like to believe, they are maybe among the strongest not european groups, but domestic groups are by far the most powerful over there

I completely agree with you m2w,Russian and Italian mafia are most powerful in Europe if not in the world,because of their close political/freemasonry connections.

@BlackFamily: you are the only one that keeps bringing up Nigerian Organized Crime,they are big drug traffickers,true,but they are nowhere near Italian,Russian,Japanese mafia etc.

he probably thinks that europe is like the states where blacks are involved in shit all across the country... black criminals in europe are just a minority and there are not prison gangs

The 'Ndrangheta is an extraordinary organization. I seriously doubt there's a more powerful organized crime unit than them. Like stated above, they are everywhere and are able to do things most other groups can only dream of. The Russians are also very powerful, but they are split into so many different units and aren't nearly as organized as many would like to think. These units may share similar interests, but overall it's a very loose association. Other powerful organizations are the Sinaloa cartel and the declining American Cosa Nostra.

I agree in the Netherlands, a HUGE drug hub, domestic groups called "Penose" are dominant.

1. The OP is speaking in the world, not Europe. It's impossible to gauge every single syndicate in that scale. Therefore it's quite an opinionated topic for entertainment.

2. I said Nigerian syndicates collectively around the globe since they're active in about 70 countries. Not exclusively Europe.

3. I agreed with you on local groups overall , wasn't being sarcastic.

4. I know the big differences in Black OC in the States compared to a group of Countries. If you want to discuss on that then please inform me on those groups oversea. In the States , that's my specialty before any street gangs. Hence my username.

Strax

I'm the only stating that because they have done business with everyone of those groups you listed abroad and within these group's territory with little to no consequences.

right... have they political connections? i wonder if there is some criminal group in europe aside italian, russian and balkan criminal groups that are strongly political connected... maybe corsican? they sure have some political link

nigerian oc usually move little drug, in europe most of coke is imported by italian mafia, hashish by moroccans and italian mafia, heroin by albanians and turks/kurds, weed is producted in italy, albania and netherlands, meth is produced in netherlands... nigerian are little players over there, the same in the united states that is dominated by mexican cartels

There are some connections here and there they could bribe anybody, mainly on a local level and if mayors and other politicians don't want to do any favours for them or work with them they are often threatened.

no single crime organization has reach like the Calabrians. They work with everyone.

Theyre powerful from Europe to Australia.

mexican cartels are the strongest nowadays they import 90% of drugs into the states and the level of violence in mexico is staggering

They also have their eyes on Europe replacing the Colombians as suppliers, but their merchandise is not always of good quality.

" nigerians are among the biggest drugs importer among not-european groups"

Your making a contradiction.

BF,

I don't know much about criminal organizations, but I'd think that one advantage that the Nigerian syndicate has is one of the advantages that the Russian mafia has. I think the Russian mafia is led by those from the well educated class of people.Articles I've read about Nigerian syndicates point to the same thing.

Kind of backwards, because you don't think of well educated people being recruited into, or forming criminal syndicates. The assumption is that the other organized crime groups are mainly made up of those from the lower segments of their society.


I've read that the guys who became the newly minted millionaires when the Soviet Union collapsed were the former Russian mafia guys.

Gets

You actually know more than you think. Check out Mob Museum blog, an article on OC groups in Europe. African - especially Nigerian syndicates involved in different rackets.

i mean tha the drug imported by nigerians is low, they are not even close to the one imported by european criminal groups

they are also involved in prostitution and frauds, but their role in european underworld is marginal

italian mafia and triads have also several members of high class, politicians, businessmen, doctors... italian mafia is very close to freemasons

That article says differ, They're Wholesale to Mid level distributors. They don't import drugs in bulk like other syndicates instead via large quantities of small packages.

How are their roles marginal when they are Major actors in certain activities in different European countries ?

Why do you have such a bias towards Nigerian OC in Europe?