GangsterBB.NET


Funko Pop! Movies:
The Godfather 50th Anniversary Collectors Set -
3 Figure Set: Michael, Vito, Sonny

Who's Online Now
1 registered members (1 invisible), 128 guests, and 2 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Site Links
>Help Page
>More Smilies
>GBB on Facebook
>Job Saver

>Godfather Website
>Scarface Website
>Mario Puzo Website
NEW!
Active Member Birthdays
No birthdays today
Newest Members
TheGhost, Pumpkin, RussianCriminalWorld, JohnnyTheBat, Havana
10349 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
Irishman12 67,452
DE NIRO 44,945
J Geoff 31,285
Hollander 23,860
pizzaboy 23,296
SC 22,902
Turnbull 19,511
Mignon 19,066
Don Cardi 18,238
Sicilian Babe 17,300
plawrence 15,058
Forum Statistics
Forums21
Topics42,321
Posts1,058,502
Members10,349
Most Online796
Jan 21st, 2020
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Calabrians already rule NY? #891584
08/22/16 04:44 PM
08/22/16 04:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 12
Europe
R
Rigatoni777 Offline OP
Wiseguy
Rigatoni777  Offline OP
R
Wiseguy
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 12
Europe
Guerra tra Boss, vince la 'Ndrangheta

Nice article in the Repubblica. It says that the calabrians already took over New York and the leading Italian crime family is the "Ursino". It says that the calabrians made an offer to the sicilians five families which they could not refuse. Also it touches the ongoing war in Canada.
I'm sorry the article is available only in Italian

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891589
08/22/16 05:34 PM
08/22/16 05:34 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
I
IvyLeague Offline
IvyLeague  Offline
I

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
I used Google translate and got the basic just of the article. It cites two of the few Ndrangheta-linked drug cases that we've seen in recent years but not much evidence as far as taking over the ports, giving the Sicilians and Americans an offer they can't refuse, etc. Maybe this is conjecture based on the changing landscape in Canada? They have a presence but to say the Calabrians have taken over the drug routes into New York, at least as far as Italian OC goes, seems premature.

Last edited by IvyLeague; 08/22/16 05:49 PM.

Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891590
08/22/16 06:05 PM
08/22/16 06:05 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
H
Hollander Offline
Hollander  Offline
H

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
We do know of 'Ndrangheta's attempt to gain a foothold in the New York area in recent years, but to control all the drug routes is something else.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891594
08/22/16 06:31 PM
08/22/16 06:31 PM
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 6,531
P
pmac Offline
pmac  Offline
P

Joined: May 2012
Posts: 6,531
Dominicans and all those little latin islands control probaly 90 percent of the coke n dope n nyc. So this shit wrong.

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891597
08/22/16 07:11 PM
08/22/16 07:11 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
Anyone able to post a translated version?

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891599
08/22/16 07:23 PM
08/22/16 07:23 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
@Ivey

I'd you notice the chart they have up? It looks to chart the supply countries, to the markets, and what family controls what, as far as the NY traffic is concerned, I think....

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: pmac] #891600
08/22/16 07:29 PM
08/22/16 07:29 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
H
Hollander Offline
Hollander  Offline
H

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
Originally Posted By: pmac
Dominicans and all those little latin islands control probaly 90 percent of the coke n dope n nyc. So this shit wrong.


I agree.

Europe or Ontario is a different story. Most of the coke the Calabrians are moving is going to Europe anyway.

Last edited by Hollander; 08/22/16 07:32 PM.

"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891601
08/22/16 07:44 PM
08/22/16 07:44 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
If I'm not mistaken from memory, the Ursino clan is the one that made the alliance with the Gambino family, in the indictment with the guy that got 14 years, the Lupoi guy. In that indictment, it said the Gambinos brought their " South American contacts to bear".

It looks to mention the Queens bust, Gigliotti I think his name is right?

@Ivey

I don't think you actually NEED to take over the NY ports to get drugs into NY. More like just a good cover business usually does the trick. I think the Ursinos were using vegetables and fish? I mean there are a million ways, but it can be expensive the more elaborate you get, making the actual per kilo value higher for yourself, meaning it's harder to move the stuff quickly. That's why most just try to bribe someone, or a few KEY someone's. It's cheaper I guess, I keep wondering why the hell these guys keep using like the most obvious things, fish, flour, canned food.

Of course now, this is where maybe the NY families come in...... I'm trying to get a translation, gotta read the whole thing....

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891602
08/22/16 07:51 PM
08/22/16 07:51 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
I think this article might be, how do you say, "Europe-centric?".
I'm thinking the article is from the perspective from over there, that the Calabrians have a solid outpost in NY, and thus have "beat" any of the other European crime groups to the top of the narcotics trade.


Case in point to what Pmac said, both the big Calabrian coke bust were export operations, that coke was going OUT the country.


Last edited by CabriniGreen; 08/22/16 07:58 PM.
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891603
08/22/16 07:52 PM
08/22/16 07:52 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
Does it say what exactly the "offer" was?

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: CabriniGreen] #891604
08/22/16 07:57 PM
08/22/16 07:57 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
H
Hollander Offline
Hollander  Offline
H

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
I think this article might be, how do you say, "Europe-centric?".
I'm thinking the article is from the perspective from over there, that the Calabrians have a solid outpost in NY, and thus have "beat" any of the other European crime groups to the top of the narcotics trade.


Yeah, that NY is an outpost for their cocaine trafficking sounds right, but it's interesting that they have established links to three of the five families.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Hollander] #891606
08/22/16 08:07 PM
08/22/16 08:07 PM
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,571
S
Scorsese Offline
Underboss
Scorsese  Offline
S
Underboss
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,571
Originally Posted By: Hollander
Originally Posted By: pmac
Dominicans and all those little latin islands control probaly 90 percent of the coke n dope n nyc. So this shit wrong.


I agree.

Europe or Ontario is a different story. Most of the coke the Calabrians are moving is going to Europe anyway.


I think alot of these calabrians are moving stateside individually to try and set up their own little cocaine operations using family and friends they have on either side of the ocean rather than the head of their clan or whatever ordering them to come to the USA. Almost like a gold rush type of situation, get as much cocaine as possible and send it over. The larger conspiracy with lupoi was probably much more backed up by leadership people than the pizzeria conspiracy because that involved them shipping directly from south america i think.

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891607
08/22/16 08:12 PM
08/22/16 08:12 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
@ Hollander

It is, interesting. Especially in light of recent indictments when you see the type of white collar money the Genoveses are capable of bringing in.

My initial take was kinda like, the Gambinos were going into narcotics big again on an international scale, ever since Old Bridge. They put together New Bridge, playing Barzini, got the Bonnanos to be their Tattaglias, and this kinda compelled the Genovese to get involved only on a financing and maybe investment/laundering/logistics basis. Like the Corleones.

You have to wonder what the NY families have to gain from coke going OUT OF NY? To Europe and Oceania? And Canada?

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: CabriniGreen] #891608
08/22/16 08:14 PM
08/22/16 08:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,571
S
Scorsese Offline
Underboss
Scorsese  Offline
S
Underboss
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,571
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
In that indictment, it said the Gambinos brought their " South American contacts to bear".



I feel that maybe a little bit of hyperbole on their part. Was it the gambinos " south american contacts" or just that lupoi knew someone that sold kilo gram quantities of cocaine.

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891609
08/22/16 08:22 PM
08/22/16 08:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
H
Hollander Offline
Hollander  Offline
H

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
Good points, in the Pizza Connection days the Sicilians could deal junk but the American families would take a %, i think not much has changed in this day and age.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Scorsese] #891611
08/22/16 08:49 PM
08/22/16 08:49 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
@scorcese

That's a good take on it. It's like Canada is the Siderno group, high command, top families. But the two NY bust look to be single family clans, looking to get a better position for themselves in the trade.

Awhile back, Ivey posted something that showed Australia split up by 39 Italian family clans. I think supply is a free for all, but when the territory to move it comes into play, that's where Ndrangheta rules come into play

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891612
08/22/16 08:51 PM
08/22/16 08:51 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
You are right on the pizza thing too, that coke was from Costa Rica, if I'm not mistaken. The South American coke would have been cheaper by maybe , say 4-5 grand per kilo?

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: CabriniGreen] #891613
08/22/16 09:04 PM
08/22/16 09:04 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
H
Hollander Offline
Hollander  Offline
H

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
You are right on the pizza thing too, that coke was from Costa Rica, if I'm not mistaken. The South American coke would have been cheaper by maybe , say 4-5 grand per kilo?


Costa Rica is a key country in the coke business and also for gambling.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: CabriniGreen] #891629
08/23/16 02:10 AM
08/23/16 02:10 AM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,113
Ted Offline
Underboss
Ted  Offline
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,113
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
You have to wonder what the NY families have to gain from coke going OUT OF NY? To Europe and Oceania? And Canada?

A cut of the loot? Any place the Calabrians establish a distribution route, they're going to have to work with someone. Who better for them to work with in NYC than one of the FF?


"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891635
08/23/16 03:00 AM
08/23/16 03:00 AM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
I know about Costa Rica, back in 2000 it cost 200$ to setup a gambling site there, I looked into it back then, lol

I guess NY is becoming for ndrangheta what Chicago is for Sinaloa.

I pretty much said before that ndrangheta primarily would be interested in only narcotic trafficking, and if they needed help, or if the five families wanted into the narcotics markets, they would most likely work together. But I don't think they would take a no, just like the Sicilians in the 80s.

@ Scorsese

I wouldn't be so quick to discount that Gambino South American contacts.
I wish I remembered the thread, but there was a map that showed the interest of all the Italian crime syndicates operating in South America. It was mostly Calabrians, I believe only the Licciardis of Naples were for the cammora, there was the Sicilian Badalamenti clan, and most interestingly, a Buscetta organization operating out of BRAZIL. Now there was another thread, about a report on OC in jersey from 83, I think. In it they had Buscettas SON as a made Gambino member. Don't know if anyone's looked into it.....
It's why I see old bridge, new bridge, all this stuff is a continuation of the same thing. See the Sicilian mafia sent representatives over here to deal with Cali. Specifically, he was arranging kilogram loads of coke in the 500-1000 kilo range.
That's enough to basically supply the Palermo families. So there hadto have been some heavyweight connection there. When they got busted' the calabrians basically muscled into that position, as they have positioned themselves to handle ALL coke coming into Europe.

See the Ursino family could just get coke from Canada, right? From a Siderno group family, think about it. Why would they NEED the Gambinos? The Calabrians , historically, dealt directly with Salvatore Mancuso in Colombia, they HAD A DIRECT LINE TO THE COKE. So why use Gambino contacts, when they built up trust with the Colombians over a period of years? think the Gambinos have been trying to reestablish their pre-corleonesi position in the international drug trade. It's why Canada figures so heavily as well. The Rizzutos, kinda took the Gambinos slot as the top Italian American traffickers. With them being knocked down a notch, I saw New Bridge as the Gambinos and Calabrians basically carving it up amongst themselves.

I think only the Siderno group has a lock on coke, everyone else is trying to get their own supply, I wish Sinatra or antimafia were in on this, they know ALL THE PLAYERS, they could explain it better....

Last edited by CabriniGreen; 08/23/16 03:02 AM.
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891644
08/23/16 08:16 AM
08/23/16 08:16 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,234
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,234
naples,italy
Here the translated article




From New York to Australia, the investigations of the police over the world tell us that the Calabrian clans defeated Cosa Nostra in the struggle for control of the world's trafficking routes. Here's how the new crime bosses have knocked out the old godfathers.


Laval, a suburb in the north of Montreal, Canada. First of March . Lorenzo Giordano stops the blue SUV Kia on the snowy asphalt of the parking, of the Carrefour Multisports, close to highway 440. Turn off the motor, the crucifix tied to the rearview mirror is swinging. Are the 8:45, the morning is cold. A killer comes out on the machine side and shoots him in the head and throat, shattering the window glass. Lorenzo "Skunk" Giordano, 52, died shortly after in hospital.

Carlton, Italian neighborhood of Melbourne, Australia. March 15. A tanned man with nicely combed hair comes out Gelobar, his ice cream shop. He is walking, it's just past midnight. It is alone, and the road is dark. They shoot in the shoulders, shooting from a moving car, without stop the car.

Three hours later a garbage man comes down from the truck near the dumpster. Close there is the corpse of Joseph "Pino" Acquaro, 50, a prominent lawyer. Again Laval, May 27. At the bus stop on Boulevard St. Elzéar is seated a man, in his thirties, dressed all in black. black shoes, blacks pants, black jacket, glasses blacks. Are the 8.30.The white Bmw of Rocco Sollecito, as planned, passes on the boulevard. The traffic light is red, it stops. Black man gets up and points gun against the car window. Rocco "Sauce" Sollecito, 62, slides on the seat, smeared with his blood, shot dead.

Italians who speak English and shoot. Other Italians who speak English and die. Canada, Australia, United States. Reggio Calabria. The blood earthquake has a silent epicenter, New York. And emerging clans who took too much power, as the Ursinos the 'ndranghetists of Gioiosa Ionica. The shock wave has spread across the planet. Lives drowned in the lead "Skunk", "Pino" and "Sauce" are aftershocks. They call it the "world war of the Mafia".

THE SIXTH FAMILY. New York, then. Nothing is as before. The big five Cosa Nostra families, Gambino, Bonanno, Lucchese, Genovese and Colombo are no longer what they were. This is documented by the latest investigations of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), conducted together with investigators from the Central Operations Service (Sco) of the Italian police.

Last Thursday, the FBI has captured another 46, including Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut: capos, made men and associates of Gambino, Genovese, Bonanno. It also finished inside the 23 year old John Gotti Jr., the nephew of the last great American Cosa Nostra boss.

Besieged by inquiries and weakened by a difficult generational change , the Sicilians are yielding space in a seemingly almost completely bloodless way to the Calabrian Mafia. In the Big Apple, the Commisso clan and of the Aquino-Coluccio clan have settled from years, but who is claiming for himself the role of "sixth family" are the the Ursino of Gioiosa Ionica. And that's a problem for everyone.



A sixth family, in fact, is already there. While not allowed in the New York criminal elite, the Rizzuto of Montreal, in Canada, have historically close ties with the Bonanno. If there is to set up a business of a certain weight - lots of cocaine, illegal weapons, money laundering - they are the referents . A report that by a bit 'of time is no longer so solid.
Between 2012 and 2013 an FBI confidential source reveals that Francesco Ursino, the boss of the homonymous clan historic ally of Cataldos of Locri, asked the Gambino to work on New York streets "just like a sixth family" . Asked so to speak. In this round are the Sicilian Cosa Nostra to be faced with an offer he can not refuse, because when he knocked on the door of the Gambino.

Francesco Ursino actually had already taken everything: the trafficking routes, contacts with Mexican and Colombian cartels, control of ports and cargos. The boss was speaking on behalf of not only one family, but of what the investigators in the investigation New Bridge (which will lead to the capture of the boss) define a "consortium" of the Locri clan. To refuse would have meant for Gambino wage a senseless war, and an uncertain outcome. Better to agree and accept the fact. On the global market for cocaine, "'Ndrangheta rules".

The BROKER AND THE SOUTH AMERICAN Cartels. The Calabrians worked in the shadows for years in New York, in the basements of their pizzerias and in the back room of their "Italian restaurant". Flied to Bogota and San Jose in the weekend, posing as tourists. "If you want to know what happens in New York, look for in Central America; if you want to know what happens among the Cartels of the Gulf look who's boss in New York," says Anna Sergi, criminologist at the University of Essex, a scholar the projections of ' 'Ndrangheta abroad. And in Central and South America happens that the Calabrian command. Mark the territory. Engage intermediaries. Shoot as little as possible. More finance, less trouble.

Deep throat who explained to the Goddess and the FBI what was moving in the criminal underbelly of the Big Apple is called Christopher Castellano. He owns a nightclub in Queens, the Kristal's, which he uses to hide what it really is: a broker of Los Zetas, the dangerous Mexican cartel paramilitary of army deserters who uses him to trade drugs in the States and in Europe . With drug traffickers, Christopher made a lot of money.

The party did not last long, though. They arrested him in 2008, and he, just to get out of jail,flips. Sells to the two Calabrian policemen: Giulio Schirripa and that "Greg." He tells the story of these two Italians who, using the pizzerias as cover and the money of the 'Ndrangheta as collateral, are moving tons of cocaine hidden in cans of fruit transported by container ships. "They have a pipeline across the oceans," says Castellano.

If run large white powder stocks , which from Costa Rica reach the US, Canada, the Old World and Australia, it is their stuff. Distribute, sorting, organizing trips of ships, open up bogus companies to import-export, corrupt customs officials. In New York, they go to dinner with the Genovese. In San José meet with the men of Arnoldo de Jesus Rojas Guzman, the leader of Alajuela cartel. In Reggio Calabria refer to Alvaro clan. They are "facilitators", unexpected because uncensored: create the conditions to bring the white powder from the laboratories in the jungle of Costa Rica to the consumer nose. Schirripa, arrested along with Castellano, is the archetype Calabrian emigrants to the conquer New York. Gregory "Greg" Gigliotti, the epigone.

Christopher Castellano has become dead flesh in the moment when he opened his mouth with federal agents. July fourth of 2010, the United States celebrates Independence Day. In Howard Beach, Queens, the show of fireworks has just begun before midnight. But Castellano has no eyes, is fumbling budgets to look for the car keys. One shot, back of the head. Nobody notices anything. Castellano won't flips to the FBI again.


THE MAN WHO ATE THE HEART. Meanwhile, however, investigators have tapped the phones and filled with bugs restaurants of Gigliotti in Queens, including the famous 'Cucino a modo mio' mentioned in trendy magazines. "There is not a gram of cocaine in Europe that has not passed through the hands of Gregory", often repeating his Italian associates, terrified by the bluster of Gigliotti.
When he gets angry, with his Calabrian dialect, mixed of American slang can say terrible things: "I once ate a piece of kidney and a piece of heart ", he yells with his wife, irritated by another Calabrian who is trying to fit in his business. The center of his business is Costa Rica, where he had direct contact with drug traffickers thanks to a dense network of brokers and trustees. "And tell him do not do too much the clever ..." he repeats them, when they send them to deal in South America.

He accumulates money, the policemen of the SCO and the FBI listen and anticipate some of his moves. The port of Antwerp, 16 pounds of cocaine seized. Port of Valencia 40 pounds, Wilmington 44 pounds. Port of Rotterdam 3 tons. Then on 8 May arrest him. He ends up inside her son, Angelo. But a few weeks later back into the wild, with a five million dollars bail. Paid in cash.

THE CANADIAN SLAUGHTER. Out of the game the referents of the Alvaro, New York is taken by the Ursino. Including contacts with the South Americans. The earthquake shook reverberate in Canada, where the hierarchies crumble. And with them the pax mafiosa. Since the eighties, the italian criminals emigrants there had divided the business between Toronto and Montreal. To the sicilian Rizzutos the drugs, to the Calabrian arrived from Siderno the gambling,and the loansharking. The map was designed in 2010, by Italians investigators who worked on the maxi investigation 'Crime' (which for the first time identified all the ndrangheta vertices) and is still valid. Three years ago Vito Rizzuto, the boss, dies of cancer.

In the following months, coinciding with the rise of the Ursino in the North American quadrant four of the six members of the "Council", of the Rizzutos are killed. The other two are saved only because they are in jail. The last to die was Rocco "Sauce" Sollecito. A few weeks ago in Montreal he was going to end in a coffin Marco Pizzi, 46, cocaine importer for the clans according to police, escaped by a whisker to his assassins that had buffered with a stolen car. They were masked and armed. "The Calabrian attacked the old powers", reasons an investigator. "It's' Ndrangheta against mafia". The world war, then.

THE AUSTRALIAN FAIDA. The trail of blood stretches until to Australia, where the Calabrian coup on cocaine routes destabilized balances that are held up by the end of the seventies. The Barbaro family seems to have lost his force, and contacts with new importers would pass into the hands of Tony and Frank Madafferi. In Melbourne the Calabrian fight against the Calabrian. Frank Madafferi and Pasquale "Pat" Barbaro were investigated in 2008 in the trial for the biggest load of methamphetamine ever intercepted in the history of the fight against drug trafficking 4.4 tonnes of ecstasy, for a value of 500 million Australian dollars (340 million euro) in tablets stowed in a ship carrying cans of peeled tomatoes. But that trial is not the only thing that Tony and Pat Madafferi Barbaro, then sentenced to life imprisonment, have in common.

To join them, as often happens, even the lawyer's choice: the professional Italian-American Joseph Acquaro. Man found dead by the garbage man in front of the ice cream, last March. Investigations are still at stake although a couple of items have attracted the attention on Madafferi: in particular some interceptions stating he own Melbourne ("It is mine, not of Pasquale") and says he is ready to kill the rival ( "I eat his throat"). But above all the story of a repentant who explained to the police as the gangster underworld of Melbourne everyone to know the reward that Tony had just put on the lawyer's head, apparently guilty of having started to talk a bit 'too much with journalists and investigators: 200 thousand Australian dollars.

AN ARREST IN FIUMICINO. Those who have cashed it is not known. What is known is that a few days before the murder, at Fiumicino airport the Locri police arrested Antonio Vottari, 31, accused of running drug trafficking between South America and Europe on behalf of the clans of San Luca. He is returning from Melbourne, where for years he spent his fugitive with a student visa. The tide of the mafia World War was decided in Calabria.
Everything starts from there. And all, sooner or later, there comes back.

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: CabriniGreen] #891667
08/23/16 02:31 PM
08/23/16 02:31 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
I
IvyLeague Offline
IvyLeague  Offline
I

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
If I'm not mistaken from memory, the Ursino clan is the one that made the alliance with the Gambino family, in the indictment with the guy that got 14 years, the Lupoi guy. In that indictment, it said the Gambinos brought their " South American contacts to bear".

It looks to mention the Queens bust, Gigliotti I think his name is right?

@Ivey

I don't think you actually NEED to take over the NY ports to get drugs into NY. More like just a good cover business usually does the trick. I think the Ursinos were using vegetables and fish? I mean there are a million ways, but it can be expensive the more elaborate you get, making the actual per kilo value higher for yourself, meaning it's harder to move the stuff quickly. That's why most just try to bribe someone, or a few KEY someone's. It's cheaper I guess, I keep wondering why the hell these guys keep using like the most obvious things, fish, flour, canned food.

Of course now, this is where maybe the NY families come in...... I'm trying to get a translation, gotta read the whole thing....


I just think the article goes a little far with some of its claims. The 5 NY families weakened by investigations and generational shift? That's true. Sicilians moving aside for Calabrians? Possibly? We've seen a steady rise in number of Ndrangheta-related busts in NY and they've always involved people connected to the NY families.

But it claims the Ursino clan, if I'm reading it correctly, is like a sixth family in the city now, controls all the big cocaine and weapons shipments, as well as money laundering, with its contacts to the Mexican and Colombian cartels and control of the ports and cargo.

It's obvious the Calabrians are involved in this stuff, partnering with the NY families, but I don't see evidence they have the kind of numbers or presence where they could be considered a sixth family or force any NY family into a partnership with threat of war.

And that "sixth family" label gets thrown around too much.


Last edited by IvyLeague; 08/23/16 02:35 PM.

Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891668
08/23/16 02:53 PM
08/23/16 02:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
I
IvyLeague Offline
IvyLeague  Offline
I

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,534
One thing I do find interesting though is a statement recently made by the FBI (see below) that the NY families have increased their involvement in drug trafficking, often working together as well as with other crime groups.

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/08/mob_1.html


Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: IvyLeague] #891676
08/23/16 03:25 PM
08/23/16 03:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,234
naples,italy
furio_from_naples Offline
furio_from_naples  Offline

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,234
naples,italy
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
If I'm not mistaken from memory, the Ursino clan is the one that made the alliance with the Gambino family, in the indictment with the guy that got 14 years, the Lupoi guy. In that indictment, it said the Gambinos brought their " South American contacts to bear".

It looks to mention the Queens bust, Gigliotti I think his name is right?

@Ivey

I don't think you actually NEED to take over the NY ports to get drugs into NY. More like just a good cover business usually does the trick. I think the Ursinos were using vegetables and fish? I mean there are a million ways, but it can be expensive the more elaborate you get, making the actual per kilo value higher for yourself, meaning it's harder to move the stuff quickly. That's why most just try to bribe someone, or a few KEY someone's. It's cheaper I guess, I keep wondering why the hell these guys keep using like the most obvious things, fish, flour, canned food.

Of course now, this is where maybe the NY families come in...... I'm trying to get a translation, gotta read the whole thing....


I just think the article goes a little far with some of its claims. The 5 NY families weakened by investigations and generational shift? That's true. Sicilians moving aside for Calabrians? Possibly? We've seen a steady rise in number of Ndrangheta-related busts in NY and they've always involved people connected to the NY families.

But it claims the Ursino clan, if I'm reading it correctly, is like a sixth family in the city now, controls all the big cocaine and weapons shipments, as well as money laundering, with its contacts to the Mexican and Colombian cartels and control of the ports and cargo.

It's obvious the Calabrians are involved in this stuff, partnering with the NY families, but I don't see evidence they have the kind of numbers or presence where they could be considered a sixth family or force any NY family into a partnership with threat of war.

And that "sixth family" label gets thrown around too much.



Yes Ivy I think the same thing. The ndrangheta prefered to make bussiness in the shadow and don't had reason to don't cooperate with the 5 families; for sure the Ursinos have men in NY but in another article is said that all the coke ring made 12 milion a Year, very few respect the pizza connection.
For me the article understand that is true that the Calabrians take off the drugs pipeline but that start a war also in New York is exagerate.

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: CabriniGreen] #891681
08/23/16 04:06 PM
08/23/16 04:06 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
H
Hollander Offline
Hollander  Offline
H

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
@scorcese

That's a good take on it. It's like Canada is the Siderno group, high command, top families. But the two NY bust look to be single family clans, looking to get a better position for themselves in the trade.


Yes what we have seen are cells mostly blood relatives, but if they have enough members in NYC they will form a locale (the main local organizational unit of the 'Ndrangheta).


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Hollander] #891687
08/23/16 04:57 PM
08/23/16 04:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,710
BillyBrizzi Offline
Underboss
BillyBrizzi  Offline
Underboss
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,710
Originally Posted By: Hollander
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
@scorcese

That's a good take on it. It's like Canada is the Siderno group, high command, top families. But the two NY bust look to be single family clans, looking to get a better position for themselves in the trade.


Yes what we have seen are cells mostly blood relatives, but if they have enough members in NYC they will form a locale (the main local organizational unit of the 'Ndrangheta).


Yep, that's the way it goes according to Luigi Bonaventura:

Quote:
"'ndrangheta is everywhere," the super-grass Luigi Bonaventura, said yesterday in a video interview with La Repubblica. "You only need two to three people to form a cell." Once the number of local mobsters reaches 50, the cell becomes a "locale".


Taken from this article from 2012: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cri...nd-7876558.html

Last edited by BillyBrizzi; 08/23/16 04:59 PM.

FORTIS FORTUNA IUVAT
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891693
08/23/16 05:15 PM
08/23/16 05:15 PM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
H
Hollander Offline
Hollander  Offline
H

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
Lello Valente the leader in NYC said he had a group of men and that their base was as secure as Fort Knox. Not sure how many though, but he only got three years for gunrunning so he will be out soon.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891765
08/24/16 06:42 AM
08/24/16 06:42 AM
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
H
Hollander Offline
Hollander  Offline
H

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 23,860
According to the FBI they are also active in the Miami area, but I couldn't find further information.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: CabriniGreen] #891806
08/24/16 05:24 PM
08/24/16 05:24 PM
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,571
S
Scorsese Offline
Underboss
Scorsese  Offline
S
Underboss
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,571
Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen


@ Scorsese

I wouldn't be so quick to discount that Gambino South American contacts.
I wish I remembered the thread, but there was a map that showed the interest of all the Italian crime syndicates operating in South America. It was mostly Calabrians, I believe only the Licciardis of Naples were for the cammora, there was the Sicilian Badalamenti clan, and most interestingly, a Buscetta organization operating out of BRAZIL. Now there was another thread, about a report on OC in jersey from 83, I think. In it they had Buscettas SON as a made Gambino member. Don't know if anyone's looked into it.....
It's why I see old bridge, new bridge, all this stuff is a continuation of the same thing. See the Sicilian mafia sent representatives over here to deal with Cali. Specifically, he was arranging kilogram loads of coke in the 500-1000 kilo range.
That's enough to basically supply the Palermo families. So there hadto have been some heavyweight connection there. When they got busted' the calabrians basically muscled into that position, as they have positioned themselves to handle ALL coke coming into Europe.

See the Ursino family could just get coke from Canada, right? From a Siderno group family, think about it. Why would they NEED the Gambinos? The Calabrians , historically, dealt directly with Salvatore Mancuso in Colombia, they HAD A DIRECT LINE TO THE COKE. So why use Gambino contacts, when they built up trust with the Colombians over a period of years? think the Gambinos have been trying to reestablish their pre-corleonesi position in the international drug trade. It's why Canada figures so heavily as well. The Rizzutos, kinda took the Gambinos slot as the top Italian American traffickers. With them being knocked down a notch, I saw New Bridge as the Gambinos and Calabrians basically carving it up amongst themselves.

I think only the Siderno group has a lock on coke, everyone else is trying to get their own supply, I wish Sinatra or antimafia were in on this, they know ALL THE PLAYERS, they could explain it better....


I think its more accurate to say that individuals within the gambino crime family have south american contacts or access to drug dealers that do stateside.Its more of an opportunistic thing than an effort by the five families to rekindle a partnership with italians.

Ill give you that operation old bridge showed some concerted effort by higher ups in both the gambino and sicilian mob to rekindle some sort of official relationship. What were the specific drug charges in that case though? From what i have read it seems that frank cali was helping his relatives launder proceeds of crime in america.

In the recent big case you had an associate lupoi who was the driving force behind the ateempted drug deal. Again he happened to have relatives in the ndrangeta or something and also knew drug dealers too who were helping him set up the deal in guyana. It wasnt the gambino crime family administration giving him a rolodex of thier south american contacts, it was just him working with people he had probably met through criminal dealings and relatives of his. As for ursino family not buying their cocaine in canada, unless theirs some rule that says they have to buy drugs in canada theirs nothing stopping them from setting up their own supply route or even doing just one big drug deal.

Re: Calabrians already rule NY? [Re: Rigatoni777] #891822
08/24/16 09:43 PM
08/24/16 09:43 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
C
CabriniGreen Offline
Underboss
CabriniGreen  Offline
C
Underboss
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,650
Chicago
Ooh, no one said the FIVE FAMILIES were rekindling the drug connection. Just the Gambinos, who since the at least the late sixties-early seventies, were knee deep in the drug trade. The families have stepped up their involvement in NY,I think that's the article Ivey was referring to.

I agree on the opportunistic part, if they have a reliable Italian supplier for coke and dope, the families would most likely be attracted to this, as opposed to buying from Dominicans or Mexicans.




The Gambinos, and Bonnanos were structurally tied into the drug trade, that's why the Ursino case is interesting, because it's a continuation of how the Gambinos have operated in the past, only before it was always with Palermo mafia families.


That Old Bridge case was about much more than them needing a conduit for money laundering. They didn't have to violate the standing pact of the Inzerillos never returning to Sicily in order to launder money in America. How were the Inzerillos going to launder Sicilian money in America from Sicily? Also you gotta consider the rep of some of the indicted, guys like Casamento, and the Inzerillos, historical drug traffickers.

They seemed to present the Ursino thing as ongoing, like it had been happening for awhile. Same deal with the queens thing.

If you look at the Calabrian thing, they set up a cell HERE to operate, whereas the Sicilians sent representatives to negotiate, and then, basically, the Inzerillos tried the reverse, by sending a cell THERE, TO Sicily.

In terms of Old Bridge, Look at all the reports on Sicily in recent years. From people refusing to pay the pizzo, to them tolerating the Spaniard Fernandez for his drug connects, then killing him when he didn't deliver. ( Not going to see Vito sealed his fate) To using Afican immigrants to move drugs on the streets. They have been trying to make up,for the loss of revenue it seems.

I'm honestly a little confused, you don't think Old Bridge was about a reeestablishment of drug routes? I mean in New Bridge it plainly says the Ursinos wanted to launder about 11 million. But the underlying purpose, of course is drugs.

Let me ask you this, do you think this whole show STOPPED with Lupoi? Like after he got arrested, you think both parties stopped trying to move dope back and forth. The Calabrians said they have a base inNY. I don't really think the absence of Lupoi will affect anything. The chain is too big, the ties run too deep.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Don Cardi, J Geoff, SC, Turnbull 

Powered by UBB.threads™