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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: olivant] #891071
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Originally Posted By: olivant
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Roger Ailes, the former Fox News chairman ousted last month over charges of sexual harassment, is advising Donald J. Trump as he begins to prepare for the all-important presidential debates this fall.


According to a lot of women who work at Fox News, Roger Ailes is a master debater.


Indeed! He debated with women over whether they should have sex with him or not.


Zing.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #891079
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oak, they were coerced, there were never any wmd's and they knew it all along. bush, and cheney never had any evidence of the accusations they made against Iraq. remember the comment bush made saying hussien was going to import 'YELLOW CAKE' to make a nuclear weapon, PREPOSTEROUS. I for one have always been outraged at what they did, then walking away and letting Obama clean up the mess, put them on trial for their murderous actions.



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I just drove home from the gym listening to Michael Savage. He was rebroadcasting a recent Donald Trump interview that took place on Wednesday after his Monday foreign policy speech.

Savage introduced the rebroadcast by stating that Trump was surging in the polls. Then Trump stated and restated that they were doing very well in the polls.

Go figure.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #891211
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One of Michael's fine literary works. (Weiner is his real name, btw).



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Savage came up with one of the most true statements ever made - "Liberalism is a mental disorder."


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #891221
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He was less successful with his statements about how veterans with PTSD were weak cry babies and just needed to man up.

Tough talk from a guy that never heard a shot fired in anger.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: helenwheels] #891227
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The primary example of armchair soldiering was the 2004 election. John Kerry volunteered for infantry service in Vietnam, Bush did everything he could to avoid it.

We say we admire doers over talkers in this country, but it's not true. We admire the talkers. We prefer the illusion of toughness over actual toughness.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #891229
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very true, Kerry served, and fought, bush was a draft dodger

and attacked Kerry, bush.... shameful coward.



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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #891232
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Binnie, you switched up to Tessio.

Tell Mike it was only business.

Notice I found a more complimentary image of bay area gangster "Bones" Remmer.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: OakAsFan] #891242
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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The primary example of armchair soldiering was the 2004 election. John Kerry volunteered for infantry service in Vietnam, Bush did everything he could to avoid it.

We say we admire doers over talkers in this country, but it's not true. We admire the talkers. We prefer the illusion of toughness over actual toughness.


Who was it that said Kerry is as tough as a powder puff? I forget. In any case, it was Kerry and his liberal ilk who cost us that war by politicizing it, as they have ever since.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #891249
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Good for them. Nations should surrender in military campaigns they have no legal grounds to be involved with in the first place. It's the moral thing to do.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: IvyLeague] #891267
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The primary example of armchair soldiering was the 2004 election. John Kerry volunteered for infantry service in Vietnam, Bush did everything he could to avoid it.

We say we admire doers over talkers in this country, but it's not true. We admire the talkers. We prefer the illusion of toughness over actual toughness.


Who was it that said Kerry is as tough as a powder puff? I forget. In any case, it was Kerry and his liberal ilk who cost us that war by politicizing it, as they have ever since.



so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat

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Vietnam. The first war for profit. Every U.S. war has been suspicious ever since.


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #891300
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Donald Trump's campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's apology last night at his campaign rally in North Carolina was a decision he came to himself. "It was not me, that's all Donald Trump," Conway said on "Good Morning America" Friday. In a rare moment for the candidate, Trump admitted regret over some of the things he's said on the campaign trail. "Sometimes, in the heat of debate, and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that, and believe it or not I regret it," Trump said. "I do regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain."


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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: IvyLeague] #891305
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The primary example of armchair soldiering was the 2004 election. John Kerry volunteered for infantry service in Vietnam, Bush did everything he could to avoid it.

We say we admire doers over talkers in this country, but it's not true. We admire the talkers. We prefer the illusion of toughness over actual toughness.


Who was it that said Kerry is as tough as a powder puff? I forget. In any case, it was Kerry and his liberal ilk who cost us that war by politicizing it, as they have ever since.


Kerry... tough as a powder puff? how would you know what he did in Vietnam, he served, and deserves credit for fighting for his country. lyndon Johnson, and his texas war profiteers started and lost that war, if you were there you would have known that.



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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: OakAsFan] #891308
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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Vietnam. The first war for profit. Every U.S. war has been suspicious ever since.


you bet it was fought for profit, a shameful war from a shameful president. the Vietnam vets fought their hearts out, only to come back and be disrespected by the people. very sad.

why didn't the people put the blame where it belonged....

MCmamara in his book said "we were wrong terribly wrong to keep sending in troops" lyndon Johnson and company should have brought to trial for that war. history will not be kind to the Vietnam war mongers.

oak, yeah, it was time to change my avatar,yours looks cool. lol.



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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: cookcounty] #891310
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty



so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat


President Lyndon Johnson, considered a liberal Democrat, escalated the Vietnam War, and Richard Nixon, a moderate Republican ended it. Johnson believed in the domino theory that if one country falls to Communism, then a neighboring country will be next. This was still during the Cold War and there was no profit motive on Johnson's part. Even though he was wrong and made things worse, he believed he was doing the right thing.

The U.S. didn't lose the Vietnam War. It was a draw, a tie. The U.S. formally ended its part in the Vietnam War when all sides signed the Paris Peace Accords on January 27, 1973. Following this the U.S. started removing its troops.

Vietnam was supposed to work on unification through peaceful means, but the North broke the deal and invaded the South. This means after the peace that the North started a civil war against the South. There was a provision that the U.S. could resume bombing the North if it broke the deal, but the Democratic Congress refused, and the South collapsed. So South Vietnam lost the civil war to North Vietnam.

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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #891315
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Some links regarding the profit motive and the Vietnam War.

War Profiteering from Vietnam to Iraq

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/12/11/war-profiteering-from-vietnam-to-iraq/

The U.S. Military has used civilian contractors in combat zones since the 1960’s

http://www.your-poc.com/u-s-military-used-civilian-contractors-combat-zones-since-1960s/


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Some links regarding the profit motive and the Vietnam War.

War Profiteering from Vietnam to Iraq

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/12/11/war-profiteering-from-vietnam-to-iraq/

The U.S. Military has used civilian contractors in combat zones since the 1960’s

http://www.your-poc.com/u-s-military-used-civilian-contractors-combat-zones-since-1960s/


Sure, contractors had profits in mind, but I was specific about President Johnson. Their motives have nothing to do with his, so again, comparing apples to oranges.

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Notice you don't find a lot of articles about contractors pilfering the WW2 effort. That kind of corruption opens up questions to a war's legitimacy.

(go ahead and google it. I just did. There isn't much. Something about the auto industry?)


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Notice you don't find a lot of articles about contractors pilfering the WW2 effort. That kind of corruption opens up questions to a war's legitimacy.

(go ahead and google it. I just did. There isn't much. Something about the auto industry?)


Are you now saying we shouldn't have fought World War II? Just let Hitler take over Europe, right?

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No. Anything else?


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I am through...........



lol

I'm certain the speech writer told Trump to follow the script and ask Black people in GENERAL what they had to lose by voting a different way this election.

Between the meeting with the speech writer and showtime....Trump changes it to "hey you Blacks are all poor and jobless, why not vote for me?"

Secret service is working overtime protecting Trump from firing into his own feet...daily.

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I thought that was an Onion headline until more people started retweeting it.


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Trump continues to spit toenails from sticking his foot in his mouth so often.


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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
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so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat


President Lyndon Johnson, considered a liberal Democrat, escalated the Vietnam War, and Richard Nixon, a moderate Republican ended it. Johnson believed in the domino theory that if one country falls to Communism, then a neighboring country will be next. This was still during the Cold War and there was no profit motive on Johnson's part. Even though he was wrong and made things worse, he believed he was doing the right thing.

The U.S. didn't lose the Vietnam War. It was a draw, a tie. The U.S. formally ended its part in the Vietnam War when all sides signed the Paris Peace Accords on January 27, 1973. Following this the U.S. started removing its troops.

Vietnam was supposed to work on unification through peaceful means, but the North broke the deal and invaded the South. This means after the peace that the North started a civil war against the South. There was a provision that the U.S. could resume bombing the North if it broke the deal, but the Democratic Congress refused, and the South collapsed. So South Vietnam lost the civil war to North Vietnam.


faithful 1 since when is someone exempt from prosecution
because they thought they were doing the right thing, now, you are a very intelligent man... that remark is beneath you.

didn't Himmler, Eichmann. all the S.S. troops think they were doing the right thing. they THOUGHT they were. the war tribunals found them all guilty of war crimes.

if you remember after McNamaras book was published, the head of the American legion, on the today show, said and I quote.
" what he said in that book is close to treason"
I strongly suggest you read his book. Johnson knew full well we couldn't win that war, but kept sending kids in.



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lol

I'm certain the speech writer told Trump to follow the script and ask Black people in GENERAL what they had to lose by voting a different way this election.

Between the meeting with the speech writer and showtime....Trump changes it to "hey you Blacks are all poor and jobless, why not vote for me?"

Secret service is working overtime protecting Trump from firing into his own feet...daily.



Yeah 'cause look what decades of voting straight Democrat has gotten the black community. whistle


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Ivy,

again you're an "expert" on what Blacks should be doing.

Has your Republican & Mormon junior Senator endorsed Trump for president yet?

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Yeah 'cause look what decades of voting straight Democrat has gotten the black community. whistle


That's almost exactly what Trump said. Are you ready to admit you're voting for him?


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Originally Posted By: cookcounty



so liberals are the reason we fought for 20 years and lost the vietnam war

we had no clue how to war in the jungle, plus we were too stubbord to admit defeat


President Lyndon Johnson, considered a liberal Democrat, escalated the Vietnam War, and Richard Nixon, a moderate Republican ended it. Johnson believed in the domino theory that if one country falls to Communism, then a neighboring country will be next. This was still during the Cold War and there was no profit motive on Johnson's part. Even though he was wrong and made things worse, he believed he was doing the right thing.

The U.S. didn't lose the Vietnam War. It was a draw, a tie. The U.S. formally ended its part in the Vietnam War when all sides signed the Paris Peace Accords on January 27, 1973. Following this the U.S. started removing its troops.

Vietnam was supposed to work on unification through peaceful means, but the North broke the deal and invaded the South. This means after the peace that the North started a civil war against the South. There was a provision that the U.S. could resume bombing the North if it broke the deal, but the Democratic Congress refused, and the South collapsed. So South Vietnam lost the civil war to North Vietnam.


faithful 1 since when is someone exempt from prosecution
because they thought they were doing the right thing, now, you are a very intelligent man... that remark is beneath you.

didn't Himmler, Eichmann. all the S.S. troops think they were doing the right thing. they THOUGHT they were. the war tribunals found them all guilty of war crimes.

if you remember after McNamaras book was published, the head of the American legion, on the today show, said and I quote.
" what he said in that book is close to treason"
I strongly suggest you read his book. Johnson knew full well we couldn't win that war, but kept sending kids in.


Binnie, there you go misinterpreting again. Where in anything I wrote did I claim that motives exempt someone from prosecution? Hint: NOWHERE. I never said anything about whether or not LBJ deserved prosecution or not, only what his own personal intentions were. That's all. Either you or Oak claimed that his motives were financial profit, and I responded to that claim. I'm no fan of his and I couldn't care less if you could go back in time, prosecute him and burn him at the stake.

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