Right. All those Blacks who voted en mass for Barack Obama in California in 2008 and also voted to ban same-sex marriage voted that way because of Fox News and the Republican Party. Seriously, do you even think before you type things out?

Of course, a thread about BLM and the KKK somehow derailed into a discussion about black people and homophobia.

So, back to topic.

People should check out the book Irregular Army. It's about how Donald Rumsfeld, in a desperate attempt to meet recruitment goals during the Iraq War, began to overlook white supremacist backgrounds of recruits. So, you have a legitimization of white supremacy that started at the very top, combined with the election of the first black president a few years later. And we wonder why groups like BLM are gaining steam. BLM isn't a radical idea. It's self defense.

(Notice how OakAsFan ignores being proven wrong and doesn't admit his mistakes; instead he changes the subject.)

Does anyone remember another poster from the Bay Area who used to make stuff up? Some guy who said he was half Mexican and half Sicilian, and eventually got banned for repeatedly posting bogus information? What was his name again? Was it MobFan? Could OakAsFan be the same banned poster MobFan? Hmmm.....

Your accusation is inflammatory (along with being off topic), and I've reported it.

I think in the history of this country, that those who fall out of the mainstream WASP culture....be they Jews,Catholics,Mormons,Blacks,etc are afforded fuller inclusion in American society under "progressive" and or "liberal" leaders and judges. Conservatism, by definition, is about maintaining the status quo.

This is a line from my previous post. Civil Rights issue in the 1960s and the stances taken by parties and pres. candidates is what brought most Blacks over to the Dem. party. Religious overtures aside...it's documented the party platforms and votes regarding ENFORCING the Constitution and Amendments...namely granting EQUAL legal protection and full rights to ALL Americans. Preaching morality,the Bible,etc and not supporting equal rights for ALL of God's children....that sir is called talking out of both sides of ones mouth.

*I removed the picture of the Little Rock segregation protests, because it's irrelevant to the thread--What IS relevant is that it's well documented the stances and practices adopted by Christian denominations in the USA regarding segregation and race throughout the 20th century*

So like I said, talking out of both sides of ones mouth.


So you have your devout Christian black folks(true Christians, unlike the so called Christians who thought that enforcing the Constitution and Amendments were State's rights issues), who made practical decisions and chose to support party that supported them ACTUALLY having the same legal protection and rights as other Americans.

Goes back to my point about the history of this country and the ways that non-wasps have had to fight for inclusion...and how conservatism is going to butt heads with that.

Just speaking for myself, though...I was taught that you cannot control the outside world...but you can control your household. With limitations, what other people are doing is THEIR business but under my roof I will live according to my own codes and beliefs. I think that those who are from cultures that are NOT the dominant one, adopt similar viewpoint. I think it might be more natural for those from the dominant racial or religious group to feel the need to exert THEIR ways and beliefs on others.

So a Black Christian may live by a certain set of moral and religious beliefs and yet still support candidates and issues that operate outside of them.

The media are the ones most at fault for everything thats happening right now.

The question is, but is it true? As for inflammatory statements, you've made plenty, along with spreading false information that when pointed out gets ignored. If it's not true then I take back my question. Perhaps it's only coincidence that you both share the word "Fan" in your username, that you both come from the same geographical location, and that you both have the same M.O.

You'll have to excuse my suspicion, but there have been a number of banned posters who return using new usernames. We've also had a number of posters who come on this site and others like it just to boost their own credibility by mixing real facts with made-up facts.

"Look like somebody we know?"
"ohhhh....It's him...without the beard"

Unless you have some definite proof which can be verified do not post any accusations of one's past indiscretions on this board. With all the shit that is going on in this world now there is plenty to talk about other than these accusations. C'mon guys, get with it.

Thank you for addressing it. Disregard my second flag. I hadn't seen this post yet.

Is this guy for real or what?... Can't believe he actually hit the notify button. Wow!..Talk about having thin skin, damn.

I guess he doesn't read newspapers and know there is other stuff in the world going on (to talk about here). Maybe he'll hear about it on his one month vacation.

Guys, drop this shit already and discuss some other things.

Yes, I did. And it was because he accused me of being a previously banned member. I don't know who this banned person is or what kinds of things they said, so you'd better believe I'm going to clear my name as fast as possible. I ignore the personal insults, but false accusations and misrepresentations is something I'll take immediate action over.

The media is full of angry nerds who like uproar and chaos

Our friends Scott Burnstein and Al Profit discuss in this podcast topics related to this thread, so I thought I'd post it: