Oh my God, make it stop. Quit all the whining already. It's nice over here and if you want to make it better, bring something to the table other than whaaaaaa I want into RD whaaaaaa. It's not some secret society over there. People... stop worrying about what's going on in other places and just enjoy where you are.
RD is a forum, just like this one, only it's run by a big Dutch dictator with an iron fist and his noble (although castrated) second in command.

Happy Mother's Day!

Never trust the Dutch !

I agree 100% though. This forum is fine too, plus it's insulting to the owner/moderators of the BB to come here, and do nothing but whine about the RD and ask members if they please, please can have an invite.

Relax. Enjoy your time here, use the search function if you want to learn something about american organised crime. And if you want an invite to the RD, pm a member. Don't be so obvious about it.

Agreed with both. Although the real deal is a somewhat secret society because it's not an open forum like this one. But you can have as much fun here as over there. Now stop whining and show some respect.

sorry if i pissed you all off :S, dont get me wrong I like it here but does sound interesting over there, wheny out alk about these charts etc

yeah and let's be honest, Ivy is here as well as there so usually whatever you want to know about OC gets answered

Ivyleague is the messaggero between both forums. But lately I've been told the dons are not happy with him being away too much doing business without informing them and so they question his loyalty.

On a curious note, been reading Mafia Inc today, and talked about Moreno Gallo. you know he was sent back to italy? has he tried to get back into Canada or no new lately?

Doesn't seem like it. Shortly before he left the country police had informed him that his life was in danger. I've read reports that state the Bonanno family had put out a contract on him and Desjardins because of their role in the murder of Montagna.

You think they'll try to get to him over there? The cops/rcmp/feds probably knew all along who's throwing the blows and why if they were able to notify him that he was in play. Informants in the know, with the Bonanno higher-ups? And not to be a di*k, but are you gonna post them Montreal charts over here, too?

I'm not planning to post them here anytime soon. Most of it is still guesswork anyway. As of now new information keeps popping up. Just follow the news and you will learn a lot yourself. I doubt the Bonannos are going to look for Gallo in Italy, if they are looking for him in the first place.

i wonder which side is gallo anyway, i heard tony mucci was at the funeral of cun trera, so mucci his close to both gallo and cun trera
anyway if they want they can cath gallo in italy, the bonannos have strong links to sicily and the sicilians with the ndrangheta, so if they want him dead hes not safe at all in italy

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/25/deported-killer-wants-to-return-to-canada



Could be a long process for him to get back in though.

If he's planning to continue fighting his extradition and go back to Canada there was no reason for him to leave the country in the first place. Just after police warned him that his life was in danger he left the country.

This latest statement is probably a last effort to not loose face. Or maybe he wants to return when the dust settles. He's either permanently in Italy or because he's hiding. Arcadi did the same when he feared for his life.

Thats what I figure. Hes lived in Canada for 57 years, I think he definitely wants back in, but right now, I doubt hes in a hurry to get back.

On p. 325 of the English-language Mafia inc. book is the following:

From his cell in Brooklyn, Massino managed to get a message out to a man he trusted. He asked that man to travel to Canada and inform Vito of Vitale's treachery. In the end, however, the mission fell to a member of the Gambino family. The meeting was held in a shopping centre in Longueuil, on Montreal's South Shore. Fearing he could be arrested any day, Vito fled Canada two weeks later with his wife, Giovanna.

See Excerpt from p. 325 of _Mafia inc._ Although the excact date of the meeting between this Gambino member and Vito is not provided, it must have been held in February 2003, based on the context in the paragraph.

carmela, others:

Any opinions as to whether the Gambino Family member who was an emissary was an Inzerillo? Someone related to the Inzerillos? Would Frank Cali have been too high profile to have travelled to Montreal?

Please note that the word "member" might not necessarily mean a made Gambino. Recall that Mafia inc. was written in French and then translated. As well, Canadian organized-crime writers and journalists often use the word "member" generically.

antimafia, I would say that Cali would not have been in Montreal at that time. Other than that, I am of no help. Could have been any one of them.

carmela:

Thanks for the insight.

Back on February 8, 2008, The Sixth Family co-author Adrian Humphreys wrote an article in Canada's National Post about the Old Bridge operation's transatlantic mafia arrests, in particular those of Filippo Casamento and Giovanni Inzerillo.

From the article:

On Jan. 22, 2004, anti-Mafia investigators in Montreal called colleagues in Toronto in a panic, saying Messrs. Casamento and Inzerillo were about to arrive at Pearson airport.

The pair was expected to fly from Sicily to Montreal but suddenly changed their destination to Toronto.

"We mustered a crew together and watched them get off the plane and check into the Sheraton hotel," said retired RCMP Staff Sergeant Larry Tronstad, who is now a partner with Detek Investigative Group, a private security firm in Toronto.

"He's walking around downtown like he'd been here a thousand times. He knew where he was going, where to get the shuttle bus, where to get his espresso."

I wonder whether changing their destination from Montreal to Toronto was a diversionary tactic. If not, I wonder whether they would have met with individuals in the old Rizzuto organization to discuss new drug routes and pipelines.

This article was posted by antimafia on the real deal forum. It suggests that members of the Rizzuto clan are making a comeback.

Link to article:

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/0 ... elle-large

Google translation:

Wide criminal alliance
Mafia, Hells, West End Gang, Syndicates form the network of suspected traffickers dismantled Thursday
DANIEL RENAUD
JOURNAL DE MONTREAL, POSTED ON: FRIDAY, JUNE 15, 2012, 10:30 P.M. | UPDATED: FRIDAY, JUNE 15, 2012, 10:40 P.M.

Is unity strength in this period of criminal instability? At least three distinct groups, the Mafia, the Hells, and the West End Gang operated together the cocaine trafficking ring dismantled Thursday by Montreal police.

The ten people arrested, eight men and two women, appeared yesterday in Montreal. They faced a litany of charges, including cocaine trafficking and weapons possession.

One of them, Sylvain Nuckle, 52, an individual with a heavy criminal record, would be a henchman of the West End Gang we have heard more about for the past year and a half.

Another, Marcus Barthelus, 31, is the brother of John Winsing Barthelus, member of the Syndicates, a group in the pay of the Hells Angels. Jean-Winsing was arrested in a major operation conducted in 2008, Project Axe.

The Syndicates, whose godfather is Gregory Wooley, a former member of the Rockers, a former farm club of the Hells Angels, would lead off in downtown Montreal since leaving prison guardian, almost a year ago.

Other individuals arrested have a long track record. Gaétan Ponton, 53, and Guy Therrien, 47, were sentenced to prison terms of six years and four years imprisonment for cases of hashish and cocaine from the early 2000s.

The Mafia

Among the 10 individuals arrested, there are also Nico Ouellet, 39, who has been arrested along with an Angelo Follano in 2000.

But Follano was arrested for importing drugs during the broad anti-mafia raids in 2006, Project Colisée.

To catch him, the police had approached an individual who had infiltrated the amateur baseball team in which he and his accomplices were playing.

The Rizzutos?

Other individuals targeted in the investigation that led to searches would also be linked to the Mafia, specifically the Rizzuto clan, according to reports which have however not been confirmed.

According to sources, the former dominant clan, beheaded during a vendetta orchestrated by cells of the mafia in 2009-2010, has been recovering little by little since the murder of Salvatore Montagna and the arrest of Raynald Desjardins and his conspirators, all accused of murder.

Former old allies of the Rizzutos, packed by the ephemeral new Mafia bosses, have begun to rally, four months before a possible return of the imprisoned godfather Vito Rizzuto.

Regularly in downtown Montreal, relatives of the clan would be seen in the company of people associated with bikers, street gangs or Turkish, Russian or Arabic criminal groups.

It seems more than ever in these troubled times, the trend is for the clans to unite to make money.

nice find, thanks. whats the deal with the west end gang up there? are they still semi organized or just running on fumes? any idea about the number of members?

Well many people argue there really isn't an actual organization known as the West End Gang or the Irish mob in Montreal. Its a title that was simply given to a group of men, by the media/police who occasionally worked/scammed/robbed/imported together. I dont think its an organization in the mafia sense, thus no official membership. Think the Westies in New York.
At least now a days. Dunie Ryan, a Whitey-esque gangster from 30 odd years ago had a large Irish criminal organization.
I think the "West End Gang" criminals that are still active today are either former members of Ryan's old group or are descendents/apprentices of those members which is what has kept the term West End Gang alive.

According to Gaspare Valenti, Vinny Asaro didn't know about Sal Montagna's murder in Charlemagne, Quebec.

Link to French-language article:

http://www.lapresse.ca/international/eta...eux-mafieux.php

Lol, guess he really was Persona Non Grata.

"I don't even know what's going on in Ozone Park..." And he lived there. LMAO!!!!

i knew he was not doing well financily but did not realize he was this broke

and what is a capo doing planning to rob a drug dealer for 2k

Link below is to an article that may be the best thing you will have read today.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...he-montagna-hit

Good stuff.

Thank you for the article anti. Nicaso and the other author of the Business Or Blood book was on the money the entire time, all the way down to what Di Maulo told investigators. Which shows they had access to these texts years ago. But nice to see some of the actual texts sent between Desjardins and Mirarchi, that's insane. These guys are caught red handed. Its going to be interesting to see how these guys will manage to get off from this. Montagna had literally NO support, aside from the Arcuri's. And the guy who infiltrated his group and got his phone cloned for the Desjardins group is said to be Giuseppe Colapelle. Once his alliance with Desjardins ended , Montagna was literally a dead man walking. I think this puts an end to the speculation that he had backing from the Bonannos.

You weren't lying.

Fascinating, great read !!

That was a great read. I still can't beliveve Montagna had some people on his side. I mean, he got deported and shortly after he's all over the place making moves, meeting people etc. He had some power but... How did that happen???