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Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
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06/07/16 08:36 PM
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It's often assumed that Big Paul only began to take over the family around 1975 as Carlo's health failed and he needed someone to manage the family day to day. But this FBI report from February 1967 - long before Carlo had any major health woes, arguably at the height of his power - says differently: "On February 28, 1967, NY T-25 advised that a meeting was held on Monday night, February 27, 1967, at the residence of LEO GRILLO, 1235 54th Street, Brooklyn, New York, at which approximately 19 members of the Gambino 'family' were present. JAMES FAILLA was introduced as the "Caporegima" for half of the old regime of JOSEPH GENNARO.
The meeting was presided over by PAUL CASTELLANO, who advised the group that he was "Acting Boss" for CARLO GAMBINO in all matters. CASTELLANO pointed out that because of increased pressures by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other law enforcement agencies on GAMBINO, CASTELLANO would act more often on LCN matters for the "boss."
In addition, ANIELLO DELLACROCE was present and was introduced to the group as UNDERBOSS in the "family."
JOSEPH GALLO was also present and he was introduced as the acting "Consulieri" for the "family" because of the illness and lack of mobility on the part of JOSEPH RICCOBONO.
CASTELLANO stated there was now a closer coordination of the "family" membership and pointed out that in addition to SABBATO MURO being excluded from the "family", ANDREW TORREGROSSA, and his son, JOHN, were eliminated from the "family." CASTELLANO pointed out that all members were to have nothing to do with the BONANNO "family" membership, and stated that their leadership is still "up in the air." Informant advised that the COLOMBO "family" was entirely subservient to CARLO GAMBINO.
CASTELLANO also pointed out that there would be no trouble with the LUCHESE "family" in view of the relationship between GAMBINO and LUCHESE, and in view of the serious illness of THOMAS LUCHESE.
According to the informant, CASTELLANO indicated that CARLO GAMBINO, at the present time, was the most powerful "Boss" in LCN." It seems Paul de facto ran the family for almost a decade before Carlo died, and in a sense, the Castlleno reign can be looked at as spanning from 1967 to 1985 rather than it just being that Castellano was picked out of the blue in 1975 because Carlo was sick and he was his brother-in-law. It would seem that Castellano's leadership as Acting Boss from 1967 onward impressed Carlo. That, combined with his genteel manner and the fact that Dellacroce seemed to attract the attention of the Feds (having been arrested and even in jail when Carlo died) might've influenced Carlo picking Paul, moreso than any nepotism. http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...99&tab=page
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
[Re: JackieAprile]
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Most likely, I'd say so. While the Bananas War was somewhat over, it had ramifications for that family for years to come, their boss situation was still in flux, and I don't think that they had one boss at the time whom was able to represent them on the commission. Not to mention it is Paul Castellano , Carlo's cousin, whom was on Joe Bonannos hit list and who basically orchestrated the Bananas War, so all of that probably , maybe had a lot to do with Castellano's statement then. In '67 specifically, they were planning on dismantling the Bonanno family as a whole and transferring their members to other families. There was a series of meetings where this was discussed, they then resulted on a plan to place someone else, from another family as the boss of the Bonannos , they had several candidates and Carmine Tramunti was the leading candidate, which can be seen a few pages later in this same report. So it makes sense that during that time , the Bonannos would be persona non Grata while they decided what to do with the Bonanno family. Could you imagine if that had happened? That would've made Tommy Lucchese the most powerful boss in America, as he would've essentially had his number 2 heading the Bonanno family.
Its also interesting that he said that the Colombo family was completely subservient to Carlo specifically, not him, or "The Gambinos", but to Carlo specifically. Which I think points to Joe Colombo himself being subservient to Carlo. Which I think lends credence to the theory of Carlo being behind the shooting that comatosed Colombo, and orchestrating it to making it appear that Gallo did it in a lot of peoples eyes, after Colombo defied Carlo by still having the second Italian American rally or whatever it was called and not putting an end to his Civil Rights league. Which if true, only adds to Carlo's genius as a mafioso.
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
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Good find JackieAprile. Thanks for posting. I'll echo this. Me three. This leaves me wondering how reliable NY T25 was. I've found that when encountering off-the-wall things that contradict other confirmed sources, it helps to see what an informant is sahying in other reports. If it is off-the-wall stuff or vague rumors, then it is better to discount it. This makes it seem that NY T 25 was in the room when this meeting went down, always a good sign. Has anyone encountered NY T25 in other documents during this period? "Bonanno pulled off this phony kidnapping stunt to avoid the Commission (after the plot to kill off Big Pauly's cousin Carlo was exposed) and to avoid a grand jury subpoena, but this stunt ultimately backfired on him." I've come around to this view, and I think he was more afraid of Maggaddino and the commission than a subpoena, they were dead serious about having him killed if they did not get the right answers from him when they called him to that meeting.
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This life of ours, this is a wonderful life. If you can get through life like this, hey, thats great. But it's very, very unpredictable. There are so many ways you can screw it up.-Paul Castellano (he would know)
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
[Re: JackieAprile]
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06/09/16 01:56 AM
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@ hoodlum and @sinatra
It's interesting you say that hoodlum, I've always thought the same thing, that Dellacroce was in charge of a " Manhattan faction", but in reality, posters on here corrected me, he had three crews roughly, I forget, Caizza? Is that his name guys?
Also, I've long been of the opinion that Luchesse was the prime mover of his time period, Carlo and Vito had bigger families, but they both needed Luchesses backing to make the moves they made, on top of that, Lucheese had usurped Costellos position as the mobs prime politico in NY, following Costellos dancing hands routine with the Keafauver hearings.
It's telling that the guy picked, (most likely by Luchesse) to boss the Bonnanos, would be a Luchesse guy, and a high level dope guy at that. I really believe Carlo was intent on destabilizing their drug operation, so he could set up the beginnings of what would become the Cherry Hill Gambino side of the Pizza connection.
Pretty interesting stuff, also guys, on Bonnano not making the meeting with the commission. There is another MaryFerrell, where it states that basically Bonnano was NEVER TOLD OF THE MEETING, THEN CARLO AND TOMMY WENT TO THE COMMISION AND SAID HES DUCKING US, BUT THEY NEVER TOLD HIM. It was a cunning ploy to isolate him on the commission, take away any allies he had...
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
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If I'm on the same page ,according to bananas, in his book,Zerilli & ange bruno came to inform him of the comm. wanting 2 see him but declined after Zerilli became elusive 4 the 2nd bruno-zerilli meet(they both said they would get back 2 him)..only Bruno responded,which whom J.B. considered a neophyte, therefore Bonanno considered the comm. meet obsolete ,,,sounds a likely story ,given that the man(J.B.) is a known bullshitter his whole life.
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
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@hoodlum I wasn't referencing the Bonnano book, this was Mary Ferrel documents, FBI wire taps,of Tommy Eboli. Out of his own mouth he was saying the commission was duped into believing Bonnano ducked a commission meeting, I'll search for the link, I can't remember the thread.... You mean here: http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post881249I remember seeing the doc somehwere along the line also, it's a pretty amazing wiretap. Though I forgot to record where it is located.
This life of ours, this is a wonderful life. If you can get through life like this, hey, thats great. But it's very, very unpredictable. There are so many ways you can screw it up.-Paul Castellano (he would know)
"I'm not talking about Italians, I'm talking about criminals."-Joe Valachi
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
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@hoodlum I wasn't referencing the Bonnano book, this was Mary Ferrel documents, FBI wire taps,of Tommy Eboli. Out of his own mouth he was saying the commission was duped into believing Bonnano ducked a commission meeting, I'll search for the link, I can't remember the thread.... ..ohh,sorry,that's what i meant by "on the same page"..i had a feelin' i was a little lost,sorry & thanx guys,( Cabrini & Tony P.)
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
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So Nino Gaggi was acting skipper or skipper in 67? Dominick Montiglio's book indicates otherwise
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Re: Castellano - Acting Boss as early as 1967!
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