power has always corrupted since the beginning of time. what makes hilary more corrupt than trumpy? It's not like she's out there committing crimes against humanity or embezzling $100 million out of a company, right? W pardoned the CEO of Enron because he was a major donator to his presidency and did the Republicans see anything wrong with that? trump has been as dishonest as one could be. and so has hilary. and so has W. and so has bill clinton. and so has Bush Sr. and so has Nixon. and so has Reagan. and so has ford. and so has jfk. and so has john kerry. and so has mitt the misfit. hell, even bill cosby has lied about drugging dozens of women.

In this race, it doesn't matter if youre republican or democrat, both candidates are reprehensible and america and its citizens should be ashamed of themselves.

and in breaking news, the cocksucker Kenneth Starr who infamously headed the blowjob investigation into bill clinton was fired for not doing anything about or reporting allegations of sexual assault by baylor football players. it truly goes to show that what goes around, comes around. buh bye mr starr, now look at who the disgrace is.

Corruption is fraud or dishonesty by those in power, often involving bribery and usually as an exchange for favors.

The difference between Trump and Hillary is that Hillary has been in positions of political power (Senator and Secretary of State) while Trump has never held a political position. The evidence for corruption is found in the use of her email server and the classified emails that passed through it against federal law, and her unstated assertions that she's above the law. Then there's evidence of pay for favors involving foreign countries making large donations to the Clinton Foundation for favors involving the State Dept. during her tenure. My stating this about Hillary Clinton doesn't make Trump a good guy, but she was in a position where she had to sign government agreements under penalty of perjury where she failed to keep those agreements. In the meantime, Trump is being sued and will have to appear in court to testify in the Trump University fraud case.

BTW, Ken Starr was demoted, not fired. He's still a law professor at Baylor, and whatever happened in his investigation of Bill Clinton is totally irrelevant to whatever wrongdoing he may or may not have done at Baylor. In the Clinton investigation, Ken Starr was selected to be a special prosecutor by Bill Clinton's own Justice Department, and the only person who did wrong was Clinton, not Starr. Clinton lied under oath and was justifiably impeached and made to lose his law license by an outside judge. Clinton's own Justice Dept. sent people to prison for doing exactly what he did, so he got off easy because of his elevated position.

Clinton got impeached because he lied under oath.

He is a rapist. Their was a tv show called the highlander. There was a spin off a highlander with a female highlander. He raped that girl in real life. She did not pursue it because they went after her mother and father using the IRS and it would have killed her career.

Bill is a scum bag. He was cheating on Hillary since he was governor or before. She did not leave him because she was riding his coat tales.

The actor Gianni Russo the guy in the godfather. He married the don daughter. This guy got tons of women in his life. He went sailing with Bill Clinton. He said Bill got even more women then he did on that trip.

Got her name Elizabeth Gracin a former miss America from guess where Arkansas isn't that where Clinton was governor?

Elizabeth Ward Gracen didn't say that she was raped, she said she had a one-night stand with Clinton in 1982.

The key difference is the effect each would have on the makeup of the Supreme Court. Obama has already done so much damage and Hillary would only compound that. If she gets elected the Court will be lost to liberal activist judges who hold the Constitution in contempt for years to come.

Also, look at the scum who make up so much of the protesters against Trump. The "Black Lives Matter" scumbags. Your typical socialist anarchist types. The gays, transgenders, and other defectives. Illegal immigrants who have no desire to assimilate. Just going against what people like them want means you're probably doing something right.

I'm not saying you have to like Trump but if you don't recognize the fact he's at least the lesser of two evils, compared to Hillary, you're as dumb as a box of rocks. Or just an unapologetic liberal hack.

I been hearing about this for years. She as raped it was not just a one night stand between two consenting adults

Ivy I am not to sure it's illegal immigrants protesting against Thrump. When your illegal or doing something illegal you tend to keep a low profile.

They have asked Latino's protesting why. They had no answer they were being paid to protest.

spoken like a true Republican. i didn't know it was a crime to be gay. Transgender on the other hand...I agree with you. youre entitled your 'opinon.' im sure youre the type of republican that will blame democrats for everything. whose worse, hilary clinton or the lying previous administration that did so much harm to our country economically that got us into a war we never should have been in while we continue to lose lives. people like you will defend it im sure because republicans only do good and theyre perfect, right? wow did my opinion of you go right down the shitter wiseguy

Are you saying transgenders are not as important as gays. What kind of democrat are you?

I bet you think black lives don't matter either. I think black lives matter because they work cheap so do Hispanics for that matter.


The previous administration is Obama's. A lot of soldiers have been killed under Obama because of his stupid rules of engagement.

Enemy hides in a mosque you can't attack that mosque. Your the enemy and hid in a mosque they die in that mosque.

No talk on the economy Obama did shit on the economy. Hillary wants to keep that going.

There were are a lot of people on here that were Democrates. This is not the Democratic Party workers used to know. It is a socialist party now.

im an independent who was a huge Bill Clinton supporter. i also voted for W, alot of fucking good that did. Compromise, neither party wants to do it and its essential to run a country. my issue with republicans is 'none' of them have done shit since ronnie reagan. but ur entitled ur opinion footreads and i respect that. is the economy better today than when obama took office? indeed it is. has unemployment gone down? yes. and i bet u would say that u could do a better job than obama. in ur opinion, what has he done good? im willing to bet u would say he did nothing right because thats what republicans do. is ur education level as good as obama's? could u get the majority of the country to support your political ideologies? probably not. i dont agree with everything the guy has done.

ande when i said the previous administration, i meant W. did he lie? yes. did cheyney lie? yes. did colin powel use a private email server from 2001-2005. yes (its very common). while i agree the world is a better place without sadam hussein, fact of the matter is that he ran a much tighter ship in iraq and the country was better off with him than without him. W started a war to finish what his senile daddy started in 1991 sitting from his kennebunkport estate. W fucked our economy along with the republican greed of wall street. it was in the worst shape in u.s history when W left office, correct? but u blame obama. quit blaming people and do something about it. how r ur credentials? r u better fit than obama to run a nation? if u debated him, he'd bury u based off of intelligence alone.as he would all of us grunts who troll these sites. our opinion has no significance. by the way, i voted for mitt in the 2nd election..who was about as likable as a wet fart. mitt lost the elction that he should have easily won. why? because his campaign was about low blows and criticizing his opponent yet vague on policy and he flat out is not likable in any way, shape or form. as an independent, republicans dont want to compromise and their party is in serious trouble, thats evident by this election. if u look at trump as a leader and a man who is a perfect fit for prez, good for u. we have two despicable human beings who will be going toe to toe, neither one of them are truthful or have the country's best interest at heart, would u agree with that? and u and i put these assholes on the ticket. and by the way, i was supporting kasich/carson

here are some specific examples of economic improvement under Obama:

As of January 2016, a record 64 consecutive months of overall job growth. http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of January 2016, Unemployment drops below 5% for the first time in eight years and without a significant bubble. 4.9% http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of April 2016, there have been 74 consecutive months of private sector job growth. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

In April 2016, new unemployment claims hit their lowest level since Nov. 1973. http://nyti.ms/1YhZEBk

Since February 2010, when job numbers hit their lowest point, 14.6 million non-farm private sector jobs have been created. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45653

**again, i dont agree with all of his politics but certain credit should be given to 'any' president who helped improve the economy after W's disaster

heres another one

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-gi...-to-give-credit

Lots of deception in those stats.

The federal reserve has suppressed interest rates artificially for years now which means the economy is on life support and relies on cheap credit just to remain afloat. If they ever raised them in a significant way than the whole economy will collapse harder than ever before.

Unemployment can go down while part time work increases or people give up looking for work and are not counted.

There's nothing magic about Obama or any other president. He's not "fixing" or improving the economy from
His office. He's just a guy wearing a suit. People need to stop thinking these guys have super powers.

The Fed creates bubbles, bubbles pop. Then they create a bigger one till that pops. Cycle repeats.

I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative independent. And why are you bringing up Bush? He isn't running.

As I've said before, neither of the two candidates are what I would consider ideal. But if you can't see how horrible Hillary would be, and how absolutely unworthy of the office she is, you're blind. She's unquestionably the worse of the two evils.

I could go through them all and tell you why they read that way. But I have on other posts and don't wish to do it again.

Don't believe everything you read.

They are doing fuzzy math to make things sound fantastic we are close to a melt down.

Since your doing great you don't have nothing to worry about. Don't spend it all in one place.

First, the reality about Bill Clinton:
1. The Clinton economy did not start to improve until he started working with Congressional Republicans in his famous "triangulation." The Republican Congress passed tax cuts earlier that year and then the economy started to improve. Prior to that the Clinton economy was not doing well.
2. When Clinton left office he left W a recession, called the "Clinton recession." This has been so underreported that few even know about this. http://dailysignal.com/2012/09/07/two-huge-flaws-in-the-legend-of-the-clinton-economy/
3. Obviously W got us into the Iraq War, but so did Hillary Clinton. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/
4. "W's disaster" wasn't entirely of his own making. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars (mostly) go to him, but the housing and credit crises mostly go to Bill Clinton when he changed the housing laws and regulations: http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/14/clintons-legacy-the-financial-and-housin; https://cei.org/blog/clinton-pressure-promote-affordable-housing-led-mortgage-meltdown; there were other contributors, but it was the Clinton administration that was the initial cause and the catalyst for what followed, and it was the housing crisis that led to the credit crisis and the subsequent bailouts.
On Obama and the economy, your citations are easily challenged:
1. Under Obama we have the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303816504577311470997904292
2. The number of "breadwinner jobs" is LOWER than it was at the end of the W administration: http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/ba...8-million-jobs/
3. Meanwhile, there has been an increase in part-time jobs and a decrease in full-time jobs (and full-time has been redefined from 40 hours a week to 30). Mainstream media sources have been slow to admit this: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/...time-employment
4. In 2012 even factcheck.org noted that Obama plays "sleight-of-hand" with economic statistics: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/
5. Providing context shows that the economy has actually been dropping jobs or at least increasing only marginally at best: http://www.investors.com/politics/commen...ant-you-to-see/
6. The number of discouraged workers, people classified as giving up on looking for work, has grown. A report from 2015 puts it at 40%: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/20/40-percent-of-unemployed-have-quit-looking-for-jobs.html
7. Even left-wing Chris Matthews recognizes that the labor force is shrinking: http://fortune.com/2016/05/06/april-jobs-report-participation/
8. According to the BLS, the proportion of foreign-born workers is higher than native-born workers: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf
9. Obama has increased the national debt more than all previous 43 presidents COMBINED (even Politifact agrees): http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...more-debt-all-/

^^Thank you for posting Faithful. Very informative, well researched and written.

Yes great post faithful. I sure Dino would not believe it too brain washed for that.

Dino's a good guy and a friend. The thing about this board is that people can agree to disagree and keep it friendly. And for the record, there's not a single U.S. president who isn't beyond criticism.

somebody is lying! maybe all these publications hould get their stories straight and tell us the truth.

furthermore, i stand by my comment about a "nation of idiots" because WE and only WE have propelled two known liars to be positioned for the most powerful position in the free world. WE are to blame. when donald trump wins the republican nomination in one of the largest landslides in us history, it only goes to show how idiotic WE are. the republican's are in very bad shape when not one of them stood a chance against trump. and hilary is a bold faced liar as well. i loved bill, no matter what anybody says, he was a great president. and kenneth starr is now getting a taste of his own medicine covering up rapes at baylor.

a conservative independent??????????????? not buying that one ivy. but you haven't answered my question? why is it a crime to be gay? how is being gay a "defective?' you think people choose to be gay? it's innate

Don't count us among the "WE," Dino, because neither you nor I voted for them! LOL (I know you meant "we" as a country, but if you add up the Republican primary votes until Cruz and Kasich got out, more people voted for candidates other than Trump than for him; he just happened to get more votes than the other candidates.) If Rand Paul would have won I'd even become a Republican, but this election cycle is dominated by angry voters who like angry candidates like Trump and Sanders.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Bill Clinton. He was as corrupt and hypocritical and Hillary. Democrats circled the wagons around him when he impeached, mostly without even bothering to look at the charges. It was primarily because he defended liberal social policies like abortion, which is why one New York Times opinion writer said she'd give him a blowjob for holding his ground on abortion. They didn't care about his corruption. They gave him all the credit for a successful economy on his second term although it was a result of him working with House Republicans against many in his own party. Clinton moderated his economic policies, including "workfare," to meet with the GOP in the middle.

Meanwhile, today's Hillary supporters say they'll still vote for her even if she's indicted, just like Washington DC mayor Marion Berry was re-elected after being convicted and sent to prison. On the GOP side, I hear Trump supporters excusing his flaws too similar to Democrats. I don't think such a thing would happen with any other Republican.

How did you like Bill Clinton during first four years in office?

LOL. What the hell. What are you so scared of, Ivy? Relax. Go outside. There are other kinds of people out there. They won't bite you.

We will agree to disagree. however, you can't deny that Bill Clinton was "willing" to even work with republicans. ive always said that a good politician's biggest asset is 'compromise' and that means going against your own party to accomplish a better result. Obama is not willing to compromise but Clinton was. and Clinton continued his relationship with republicans while out of office. the fact is that while somebody may be part of the democratic party, it doesnt mean they are 100% behind every belief that the extreme liberals have. im a democrat but have voted republican on several occasions. whether Clinton was forced to work with republicans or not, he at least compromised for a better result. we can critique every US president and find something wrong, however, some of these presidents are beholden to groups and policies that backed their elections. W pardoned the CEO of Enron who should have been doing 100 years in the can but Enron was also one of the largest donors to his presidential campaign and a Texas based company. to quote Junior Soprano, "what's the point of attaining power if you can't help your friends." its been going on for 100 years and it will continue to go on for another 100 years.

i loved Bill Clinton and will continue to believe that he was one of the greatest presidents in modern day history. did i agree with everything he did or said? NO. but thats every president. i voted for W, twice. did i agree with everything he did or said? NO. Obama is an unusual case as i dont like or agree with his politics and i believe we should ship those fucking refugees from Iraq back there to be dealt with. he is the most progressive president in US history but not everything he believes in or does is bad. i was not ready for such a progressive president but he has done 'some' good. do i believe he took office to detroy America? thats fucking ludicrous as i don't believe anybody takes that job to ruin a nation. do i beleive he is not a US citizen? NO. more bullshit manufactured by republican haters. do i believe that many members of congress stonewalled him because he was black? YES. in fact, i have a close family friend who is a member of congress and he painted me a pretty good picture of how some view him and things that were said about him.

COMPROMISE. its the only way to move forward. it happens in business, education, religion etc...why not in politics?

Plenty of people who know Clinton was killed to cover up his dirty dealings and there plenty women he raped as well so he was a blackmail puppet like must of them no real power just a front

and your source is? Rape? give me a fucking break. that was about as stupid a comment as ive ever heard.