You grew up in a crime family?

Dude you just made my point.
College educated grew up in a 20 million mansion?

Please tell me you are trying to write a book or something? You got all that money and you are THIS bored? To go on an organized crime website and discuss a lifestyle you know nothing about or respect at all?

Like you tell me what is YOUR PROBLEM? People have already commented you are annoying as fuck, so don't think it's just me.

You are too stupid to understand what a crime family is. Your feeble brain thinks it's burning saints, and Italian surnames.


There are crime families of all ethnicities. Mexican crime families, what would you call the Ochoas? A crime family. Gottis family? A crime family. Gambinos? Crime family. Flenory or Flores brothers? Crime family. Naples and Calabrian clans? Crime families, in the purest sense. A family of criminals adhering to an outlaw culture. Stop watching so much Sopranos and READ A GODDAMN BOOK MR COLLEGE GRADUATE WITH THE TRUST FUND lol

Okay I'm done replying to your troll ass nonsense, you got nothing to say, which is ironic, cause in that Mancuso thread you said there was too much bullshit on the site.
Funny to see you add to it....

I think it's time to cool down. We're here to discuss OC. I'm not about to behave like an animal because of a disagreement.

Good lord man, then why heat up in the first place? Lol Agreed....

@CabriniGreen

Just kick back brother. There's a saying down here for him: Bless His Little Heart .

How about looking at the topic from a different angle? We've got a lot of intelligent people in this thread and discussed the problem, so how about this: Let's say you were in a position to make changes in Chicago to turn the city's crime rate around, what would you recommend?

Since no one have answered your question. This is difficult to answer since I'm not from the Chi.

Create a task force to root out more corruption within the political system and law enforcement. Gather intel on the current conflicts between street organizations within high crime districts and analyze the root cause of the rivalry; Business , Domestic, or Both. Ban all active gang members from using social media networks to antogonize rivals ( Yeah i know wishful thinking) Afterwards reach out to the families and community groups to discuss and introduce a neighborhood alert network for each district. It will be a combination of twitter & information gathering in case rumors or word of mouth of ambushes/retaliations. Invest in the low income areas to increase employment or community outlets. That's all I could think of for now.

@BlackFamily

Thanks for playing. You have some good suggestions, but the social networks ban could be a civil liberties issue that won't go anywhere. Plus, they are private businesses. Anyway, like ISIS, once the government catches on they switch to some encrypted social media app.

Here's mine (not in any order):
1.) Apply RICO Act to violent gangsters and whole gangs and put them away with long sentences.
2.) Organize a DEPUTIZED and armed neighborhood watch-style group that only includes law-abiding people who work in the community to patrol the streets, communicate, make citizen's arrests, and monitor.
3.) Bring in rappers and other celebrities who are anti-gang to speak in schools.
4.) "Create a task force to root out more corruption within the political system and law enforcement." Would add that this include state and federal people on it.
5.) Legalize and tax and regulate illicit drugs.
6.) Increase sentencing for violent crimes. If someone intentionally injures someone else and the victim suffers loss of limb or permanent severe damage, the penalty will be no less than 20 years before parole and restitution. If someone intentionally murders someone else, then the penalty is life without parole.
7.) Create legislation that encourages fathers to stay in the home with their families. Teach "fair fighting" and mutual respect and other techniques starting in middle school.
8.) After the crime rate has significantly gone down and safety increased, create enterprise zones in the community.
9.) Push vocational training in schools to provide options for those who choose not to go to college or those who want to hold off going to college.

Ralphie,

Did you imply because you have family in Westchester you are somehow connected to the streets? LOL.

Faithful1

The social media is a headache but it's helping L.E ( law enforcement) to keep track of the gangs due to juvenile tendencies.

1. The state legislative passed their own street gang style Rico and used it on the New Life branch of the Black Souls , Imperial Insane Vice Lords and I think the Hobos (GD & BD clique). Albeit this version have a expiration date and I don't understand why they're not utilizing the federal base Rico instead. Regardless, most of the gangs have plentiful membership and it will take time to weaken them.

2. , 4., & 9.Agreed

3. This have been done for MANY years ( decades) and will continue onwards. Lupe Fiasco's Mural Foundation , Common, D Rose, retired gang members , community groups continue to aide in the anti-gang/180• degrees approach.

5. I disagree but understand your aiming the gangs, cartels, racketeers/syndicates main source of income and decreasing drug addicts committing crimes to fuel their habit. Problem is that within the underworld it just switches to the next commodity and violent crimes will drop somewhat to 40-50s rate, Gangs membership would shrink down somewhat but will be engage more deeply in the 2nd most lucrative activity ( plus others).

6. I could agree to some degree with possible lee ways for those under the influence. This may lead back to overcrowding of the prison system .

8. What would you consider a "manageable" base of crimes?

Most of my relatives comes from the Bronx, but if you know anything about Italian American organized crime in NY then you should know a thing or two about Westchester. I have nothing to do with the streets. I grew up in a mansion in Beverly Hills, had my first Ferrari when I was 16. I'm the last guy who needs the streets lol.

@Ralphie


You know what? You just went from real annoying to a little bit interesting.
Let me ask you, you say you don't need the street, didn't grow up around the street, yet you feel compelled to post on an OC website.


You said there was something wrong with African American culture, the fucked part of that thinking is its AMERICAN CULTURE that's corrupted.


InJohn Roberts book, American Desparado, he talks about being at a Miami Heat game I think, and they put him on the fuckin Jumbotron or whatever like " And here is Americas original cocaine cowboy!" Or some shit, at a live sporting event, doesn't that speak VOLUMES about the morals here?
I find this interesting because you, admittedly didn't grow up around this stuff, have some kind of fascination with it. Why? I can't tell you how many rich kids I know that seem to get off just " acting black". I can never understand it, I know black " niggas" , white, Asian, Hispanic, Indian.... I've had PRE-MED students come up to me like " You heard that Meek Mill?" And these kids won't even go past Rooosevelt (south) or anywhere on the west side. It baffles me everytime I see a rich, or even middle class kid, not from the streets, really not respecting the streets, but fascinated by it. WHY?

Like a person that grows up around this shit sees it as somewhat normal, but you know better, so you tell me honestly, WHATS THE FASCINATION?

I live in westchesrer now which happens to be one of the richest places in the country.

The idea that having family in west Chester gives you some insight to the mafia is laughable... Play your role.

I am SHOCKED that this thread took the turn it did.

With that said, great insight from BlackFamily and Faithful, as usual.

You've ever gone to the zoo? I find those animals fascinating. The way they behave, how primitive they are and how they can't do shit about it. I feel the same exact way about the streets. How anyone can snuff the life out of another human being without even breaking a sweat is something I'll never understand. I wasn't raised by animals. I come from a good family. The fact that this type of behavior is normal to you is both troubling and yes, fascinating. Why is that strange to you? I find that even more fascinating.

p.s.
I like how you admitted to me that you or your people don't know better lol.

+1


what he said was one of the worst posts i have seen on this site embarrassing

So if a person has relatives who may be connected to that life in some way or another then that means nothing? lol. You're funny. Are you Italian American?

your claiming your relatives are in the life now? because every Italian living in Westchester is connected to the mob

Huh? I never said I had relatives in the life. You sound like somebody who has never met an Italian American.

By the way Cabrini, I love Meek Mill. I think he's a phenomenal artist.

I am half Italien and half Spanish my mother being Italien btw I don't need to explain myself to you your just a arrogrant [BadWord] easy to judge other people when your living in a fucking manison in Beverly hills never have to work for anything never have any problems maybe you think about that before judging other people but then again your like a lot rich people (not all) arrogant

I am not going to argue with you because I have better things to do than to argue with someone on a internet forum but you have destroyed this thread with your bullshit

There's no reason to get personal and resort to name calling. That was so unnecessary. I've always had respect for you. Why sink this low? Is it really just because I live in a mansion and never had to work for anything? Why not just be happy for me? I would be happy for you.

So u can disrespect a whole race but he can't get personal with u?

Sounds like a person that feels intitled

I never disrespected a whole race. My best friend is African American. There is a difference between saying, 'blacks are more likely to commit murder than any other race in America' (something I said and is factually accurate), and saying 'all blacks are animals' (something I've never said!). Murderers are animals and the color of your skin means NOTHING to me.

I've lived in the Tri-State my entire life. CT, Manhattan, Westchester -- my girlfriend, who is Italian, is from Jersey. How the fuck do you think it would be possible I'd never meet an Italian American?

You're a racist and your posts are nonsensical.

You imply you have relatives that are connected, then you deny it when someone calls you out. The entire premise -- that you have relatives from the richest county in the northeast which gives you some kind of insight into the street life -- is laughable on its face. You'll probably reply saying "I never said that!" but the insinuation was clear. I'm sure you'd prefer it to be left alone so you can be vague and let people think you have some kind of firsthand knowledge, but fuck that.

The idea that you'd ask me if I've ever met an Italian-American -- when I told you I live in Westchester now -- is so remarkably stupid that I doubt anything you say. Because if you really have "roots" in this area, you'd know it would be basically impossible to not know any Italians. It seems like half the people I know have Italian heritage. The rest are Irish.

Done with this topic, unless you say something so offensively stupid again I feel compelled to return. I suppose there is a high chance of that happening.

I never said I had relatives IN the life. I do however have relatives who are close to people in the life, and one of them is actually a well known wiseguy from Mount Vernon. Personally, I have no connections to this life.

Where do you get that I'm a racist? My best friend is African American and my girlfriend has a black mother. I love black people, but I also love good people. If you're a good and decent person then I have no problems with you. I've always enjoyed reading your posts, and I've always respected your opinion. I wish you all the best my friend.

Wow. Don't check back for a couple of days and things go crazy.

Anyway, BF, it looks like we basically agree on everything except decriminalization of drugs. I'll add to that, that while I think drugs should be decriminalized (in the same way alcohol is, but you still can't legally drink and drive, etc), I still think it should be discouraged. I think there's good tools for doing that as well as stupid tools. Sometimes schools and government have used the wrong tools. If you're going to discourage drug use the first thing is that you (I mean "you" in the sense of people in general) need to be honest about it. Sometimes schools or the gov. uses exaggerated scare stories. Use facts backed by science.

On a "manageable" base of crimes, as a semi-libertarian I believe we need to defend person and property. If people harm themselves, while not good, does not need to be illegal. I also think there's merit to the "broken windows" theory of stopping crime. But at the same time that crime is being discouraged, those who don't get involved in crime and those who turn their lives around need to be encouraged. So the most violent predators need to be permanently removed from society so the decent people can thrive.

The idea of crime going down sufficiently is somewhat subjective, but not totally. In Chicago there might be 35 people killed in one day. That's worse than Iraq (obviously why Spike Lee calls it Chiraq). The people doing these shootings need to be seen as terrorists, because that's what they are. They are terrorizing their communities. I don't think 1 killing a day is good enough. One killing a week maybe good enough to consider an enterprise zone, but part of the reason that most enterprise zones don't work is because the crime rate is too high. Businesses that provide jobs can't be suffering from crime. Communities need to see them as commodities and protect them. There can't be a Baltimore-type riot where communities destroy themselves.

Indeed it have gotten off tracks a page ago and that individual responsible still haven't answered the question you posted.

1. I see your point about decriminalized drugs but I still disagree. It become legal then what about all the criminals behind bars arrested for dealing it recently? Do their sentence lighten and the ones that still going to sell it on the streets? Do you keep the same penalties or reduce sentence ? Confiscate and slap on the wrist? I'm picturing legalize hard drugs going through corporate circulation mirroring tobacco companies. You going to see more people casually sitting around snorting coke at the picnic table or shooting smack under the shade and cops riding by thinking back in the day this crap wouldn't happen. Let include the children perspective as well. No matter if you present the facts straightforward in the public, we still have to deal with those delinquents ( all ages).

2. Yes , The most violent needs to be removed but sentencing those for domestic issues another story as well. I disregard the "infamous" titles of our cities base off murders. Comparing homicides in a city to an entire country is ridiculous unless that city's homicides are higher of course. Chicago being the kickball topic for violent crimes in which it leads the country for the past couple years. It's homicides is terrible but not since the 70s or early 90s scale ( with the exception for this year sadly). Not a the shooters should be viewed as terrorist and their reasoning is what makes that label inconsistent.

Example, The murder of Tyshaun Lee due to nicking between to 2 decks of rivals , his father was arrested for shooting in revenge. He's not intimidating his community but seeks vengeance on those immediate involved and their love ones. Therefore a random civilian that's uninvolved shouldn't be concerned unless they are associating with either sides personally. Let take this recent case, 12 year old ( I think) shot in the chest for not throwing up the crown. A car of 4 gang members pulls up to him and yell/demand this random kid to display a gang sign but he just froze up, someone in the car shot him ( Kid is in hospital, I pray he makes a recovery). That's intimidating and deadly force, treat those type of gang membership like extremist when they can't tell the difference between neutrals & affiliations or due it intentional. In both cases we ( outsiders) don't know the full story to what started both previous cases. As a local rapper & west side GD said " that most of these killings are because of REVENGE ". Personal loses and resentment adds more fuel to the fire. On top of these plus domestic killings, there's still OC killings but we can't make out due to these dozens of other slayings.

Sorry for the long wind post. When your investigating and paying attention to details with Chicago homicides it's more in depth than just some petite gang bangers.

-> Ralphie

" Blacks are more likely to commit murder"
Isn't factual when your nor taking into consideration individual lifestyles. That's about opinionated as saying " Blacks are more likely to become pro athletes and entertainers in there life". Cut the crap. View strictly those counts and you'll see who do the most in different categories but overall Whites & Blacks TOGETHER are the predominately participants in crimes in our country ( No this ain't no Komba Ya Hold Hands statement it just common sense).